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Elon Musk's Latest Robot Video Accidentally Gives Away the Magic Trick

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Re: Elon Musk's Latest Robot Video Accidentally Gives Away the Magic Trick

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Post by nomel »

FireBeyond wrote: post #9
wilg wrote: post #6

The text of his tweet also "gives away the magic trick": > Optimus cannot yet do this autonomously, but certainly will be able to do this fully autonomously and in an arbitrary environment (won’t require a fixed table with box that has only one shirt).

I just think it is entirely unimpressive. "Remote hands" robots, even with pretty fine-grained dexterity, are not at all uncommon in a huge variety of industries. There's zero autonomy here. Fool me once, shame on you. I'm still waiting for 2015's "solved problem" of FSD (Musk: "I view it as a solved problem. We know exactly what we need to do and we will be there in a few years.") - though in "fairness" to Musk, app…

> I just think it is entirely unimpressive.

What's your baseline? Just the fully custom actuation alone is impressive, to me, Especially so for the rates of progression, like, compared to Boston dynamics.

Re: Elon Musk's Latest Robot Video Accidentally Gives Away the Magic Trick

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Post by TheLoafOfBread »

nomel wrote: post #11
FireBeyond wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just think it is entirely unimpressive. "Remote hands" robots, even with pretty fine-grained dexterity, are not at all uncommon in a huge variety of industries. There's zero autonomy here. Fool me once, shame on you. I'm still waiting for 2015's "solved problem" of FSD (Musk: "I view it as a solved problem. We know exactly what we need to do and we will be there in a few years.") - though in "fairness" to Musk, app…

> I just think it is entirely unimpressive. What's your baseline? Just the fully custom actuation alone is impressive, to me, Especially so for the rates of progression, like, compared to Boston dynamics.

Baseline is able bodied human which Optimus is supposed to replace on manufacturing line.

Re: Elon Musk's Latest Robot Video Accidentally Gives Away the Magic Trick

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Post by iancmceachern »

nomel wrote: post #11
FireBeyond wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just think it is entirely unimpressive. "Remote hands" robots, even with pretty fine-grained dexterity, are not at all uncommon in a huge variety of industries. There's zero autonomy here. Fool me once, shame on you. I'm still waiting for 2015's "solved problem" of FSD (Musk: "I view it as a solved problem. We know exactly what we need to do and we will be there in a few years.") - though in "fairness" to Musk, app…

> I just think it is entirely unimpressive. What's your baseline? Just the fully custom actuation alone is impressive, to me, Especially so for the rates of progression, like, compared to Boston dynamics.

Intuitive's Da Vinci has been doing it commercially for 20 years....in surgury

Re: Elon Musk's Latest Robot Video Accidentally Gives Away the Magic Trick

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Post by nomel »

iancmceachern wrote: post #14
nomel wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I just think it is entirely unimpressive. What's your baseline? Just the fully custom actuation alone is impressive, to me, Especially so for the rates of progression, like, compared to Boston dynamics.

Intuitive's Da Vinci has been doing it commercially for 20 years....in surgury

Please don't mistake progression for completion.

And, I don't think comparing the two is logical, for price (Da Vinci is $2,000,000), end goal (the 500kg Da Vinci will never walk across the room and pick up a box), or even degrees of freedom.

Re: Elon Musk's Latest Robot Video Accidentally Gives Away the Magic Trick

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Post by FireBeyond »

nomel wrote: post #15
iancmceachern wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intuitive's Da Vinci has been doing it commercially for 20 years....in surgury

Please don't mistake progression for completion. And, I don't think comparing the two is logical, for price (Da Vinci is $2,000,000), end goal (the 500kg Da Vinci will never walk across the room and pick up a box), or even degrees of freedom.

> And, I don't think comparing the two is logical, for price (Da Vinci is $2,000,000)

What's the over-under on the $35K CyberTruck ever making it to market, instead of vague handwaving "sometime towards the end of 2025, maybe"?

Re: Elon Musk's Latest Robot Video Accidentally Gives Away the Magic Trick

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Post by qarl »

wilg wrote: post #6

The text of his tweet also "gives away the magic trick": > Optimus cannot yet do this autonomously, but certainly will be able to do this fully autonomously and in an arbitrary environment (won’t require a fixed table with box that has only one shirt).

Well... except that explanation only arrived 20 minutes after the original video, after people began pointing out the deception.

Re: Elon Musk's Latest Robot Video Accidentally Gives Away the Magic Trick

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Post by nomel »

FireBeyond wrote: post #16
nomel wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't mistake progression for completion. And, I don't think comparing the two is logical, for price (Da Vinci is $2,000,000), end goal (the 500kg Da Vinci will never walk across the room and pick up a box), or even degrees of freedom.

> And, I don't think comparing the two is logical, for price (Da Vinci is $2,000,000) What's the over-under on the $35K CyberTruck ever making it to market, instead of vague handwaving "sometime towards the end of 2025, maybe"?

I'm sorry, what does the CyberTruck have to do with the conversation, or their fairly obvious progression in actuation, or progression in making a nice humanoid platform for machine learning use, or Da Vinci?

Re: Elon Musk's Latest Robot Video Accidentally Gives Away the Magic Trick

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Post by nomel »

TheLoafOfBread wrote: post #12
nomel wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I just think it is entirely unimpressive. What's your baseline? Just the fully custom actuation alone is impressive, to me, Especially so for the rates of progression, like, compared to Boston dynamics.

Baseline is able bodied human which Optimus is supposed to replace on manufacturing line.

Engineering doesn't ever involve starting with a final product. We're witnessing progression, nothing more nothing less. Progression can be observed and "appreciated", on its own. Working towards something "neat" is the modus operandi of most users here, and for some of us, seeing others working towards something "neat" is fun to watch.

Re: Elon Musk's Latest Robot Video Accidentally Gives Away the Magic Trick

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Post by FireBeyond »

nomel wrote: post #18
FireBeyond wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And, I don't think comparing the two is logical, for price (Da Vinci is $2,000,000) What's the over-under on the $35K CyberTruck ever making it to market, instead of vague handwaving "sometime towards the end of 2025, maybe"?

I'm sorry, what does the CyberTruck have to do with the conversation, or their fairly obvious progression in actuation, or progression in making a nice humanoid platform for machine learning use, or Da Vinci?

It means the gap between what Musk promises will be available, and the cost thereof, versus the reality of what is available, when, and for how much, is "rather sizable" at times.
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