This further undermines the "are they supposed to let Android users use iMessage for free?" defense, given that these users already bought a Mac. And now those paying customers eat hardware bans for using their own hardware in a way Apple doesn't like.
Beeper Mini users find Macs banned from iMessage network
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#12Calling this “retaliation” is rather dramatic. There are a number of communication platforms that don’t allow 3rd party apps to access their networks and will ban people who attempt it.
What would you call it other than retaliation? Punishment? Surprise behavior?
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#13My take on this whole thing is that this is basically an elaborate plan to eventually use this in court against Apple to prove its anti-competitive practices. If not for court, then at the least this is a press strategy orchestrated by someone with an interest in opening up the iMessage monopoly. I’m sure the founder realized early on that the prospects of this becoming a valuable company on its own merits were slim…
> I’m sure the founder realized early on that the prospects of this becoming a valuable company on its own merits were slim
If you actually knew Eric and the history of Beeper you would understand how hilariously false, absurd and revisionist such a statement is. Eric only started Beeper after validating massive interest from Hacker News for a paid app that would unify disparate communication channels.
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#14My take on this whole thing is that this is basically an elaborate plan to eventually use this in court against Apple to prove its anti-competitive practices. If not for court, then at the least this is a press strategy orchestrated by someone with an interest in opening up the iMessage monopoly. I’m sure the founder realized early on that the prospects of this becoming a valuable company on its own merits were slim…
Since Beeper main product is a multi protocol messaging app and iMessage is the only protocol that resists them, yes, it’s probably both.
I know it’s marketing but at the end of the day, they are fighting for a cause that matters to me and their bridges are open source so I wish them good luck.
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#15Never would have happened if instead users relied on Briar/Jami/Session/Tox on a Google Pixel running GrapheneOS. This is an important lesson, take it to heart!
Thus completely missing the point of this product’s entire existence and value proposition. This is not helpful and bordering on snarky. ‘Take note’ that people are well aware of the existence of other messaging services. They don’t want them. They want iMessage. The kid saying that they’re using “Tox on a Google Pixel running GrapheneOS” is sitting by themselves during recess whether you like it or not.
They don't want iMessage. They want what their friends have. If their friends used something else they would use something else.
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#16Went from "Here's to the crazy ones" to "we'll punish our customers for not jumping how we say" in 30 years.
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#17I don't understand the obsession with imessage, what is so special about it?
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#19Yeah this isn’t surprising, I’ve had this happen to hackintoshes over the years. Apple has always had the ability to ban serials from iMessage afaict, and it also (seemed) to be some automated process. It was frankly pretty risky to tell people to use their real machines for this.
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That’s a pretty stupid plan in my opinion.
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#20My take on this whole thing is that this is basically an elaborate plan to eventually use this in court against Apple to prove its anti-competitive practices. If not for court, then at the least this is a press strategy orchestrated by someone with an interest in opening up the iMessage monopoly. I’m sure the founder realized early on that the prospects of this becoming a valuable company on its own merits were slim…
> I’m sure the founder realized early on that the prospects of this becoming a valuable company on its own merits were slim If you actually knew Eric and the history of Beeper you would understand how hilariously false, absurd and revisionist such a statement is. Eric only started Beeper after validating massive interest from Hacker News for a paid app that would unify disparate communication channels.
On Hacker News and Reddit especially I am always flabbergasted by the tendency to ascribe some sort of wisdom and intent to the actions of early-stage founders.
If my experiences as an early-stage founder have taught me anything I can assure you that we don’t know our asses from a hole in the ground. Founding a company is a game where you throw shit at the wall as quickly as you possibly can until something sticks and then you desperately try to figure out why it stuck. If you can figure that out, you might just have product-market fit.
This is especially true for a first time founder. You learn as you go.