My first PC had 8MB of RAM, and it was a real screamer! (I hadn’t tried running emacs on it, though.)
32GB of RAM is becoming the standard
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Re: 32GB of RAM is becoming the standard
#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
My non apple linux desktop has a sweet 196 gb of ram 5200 mt/s. Love it.
5200 mt/s is 83 GB/s assuming dual channel, which isn't much compared to 100 GB/s for base M2, and 800 GB/s for M2 ultra[1] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_M2#:~:text=The%20SoC%20a... .
That’s okay given the size. The mobo can handle 8000 mt/s, and I can swap sticks whenever I want. Even my gpu has a sweet 24gb ram - more than an average m2. And I can do more than one if I need to train anything.
Re: 32GB of RAM is becoming the standard
#13More RAM is becoming the standard because software developed with more RAM is less efficient. And developers tend to have powerful computers "because it's their job", which encourages them to write inefficient code. > 16GB RAM is also a practical capacity for general tasks such as web browsing, office work 16GB RAM to read and write text and see images... I think it just says it all.
My first computer that was directly permanently connected to the Internet didn’t even have 16GB of disk space.
Re: 32GB of RAM is becoming the standard
#14Meanwhile your Mac still ships with a shitty 8gb by default
They handle memory management quite differently and the usage patterns on those devices is significantly different. You can get higher memory Apple kit if you need it…
> They handle memory management quite differently
Think different (tm). Snark aside you're right, Macs are much better at memory management than Linux, swap handling in particular. But that's a very low bar.
> the usage patterns on those devices is significantly different.
You're right, Mac users tend to run more multimedia productivity tools that benefit greatly from more RAM!
> You can get higher memory Apple kit if you need it…
You can pay the $800 premium yes, just make sure to plan what your future usage will be for the next 10 years because you can't buy it after the fact.
Re: 32GB of RAM is becoming the standard
#15Phones come with 12 nowadays. But honestly most people don't need high end PCs.
Re: 32GB of RAM is becoming the standard
#16Meanwhile your Mac still ships with a shitty 8gb by default
yeah they should definitely add more to the lower end models these days. maybe they will in the next models, for onboard LLM support when Siri gets upgraded.
Re: 32GB of RAM is becoming the standard
#17More RAM is becoming the standard because software developed with more RAM is less efficient. And developers tend to have powerful computers "because it's their job", which encourages them to write inefficient code. > 16GB RAM is also a practical capacity for general tasks such as web browsing, office work 16GB RAM to read and write text and see images... I think it just says it all.
My first computer that was directly permanently connected to the Internet didn’t even have 16GB of disk space.
I remember buying a ram upgrade to take my internet connected computer to a massive 16MB
Re: 32GB of RAM is becoming the standard
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
5200 mt/s is 83 GB/s assuming dual channel, which isn't much compared to 100 GB/s for base M2, and 800 GB/s for M2 ultra[1] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_M2#:~:text=The%20SoC%20a... .
That’s okay given the size. The mobo can handle 8000 mt/s, and I can swap sticks whenever I want. Even my gpu has a sweet 24gb ram - more than an average m2. And I can do more than one if I need to train anything.
You are comparing one of the highest end RAM and graphics card to average M2. Don't you think it's bit disingenuous?
Re: 32GB of RAM is becoming the standard
#19Meanwhile your Mac still ships with a shitty 8gb by default
I was about to say that both my M2 Macs (laptop and mini) run fine with 8gb. Haven't noticed any problems. I don't play high-end games, though.
Re: 32GB of RAM is becoming the standard
#20More RAM is becoming the standard because software developed with more RAM is less efficient. And developers tend to have powerful computers "because it's their job", which encourages them to write inefficient code. > 16GB RAM is also a practical capacity for general tasks such as web browsing, office work 16GB RAM to read and write text and see images... I think it just says it all.
My first computer that was directly permanently connected to the Internet didn’t even have 16GB of disk space.
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