> These mandates will only affect bulk senders, defined by Google as senders with volumes of 5000 or more messages to Gmail addresses in one day. This is not a requirement for a personal self-hosted email.
If your personal self-hosted email routes outbound messages through a smarthost, it could affect you.
Gmail and Yahoo’s 2024 inbox protections and what they mean for email programs
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#13Posthaven has very helpful (free) tools for setting up this stuff. Also GPT has a good understanding of the dns records needed.
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#15> These mandates will only affect bulk senders, defined by Google as senders with volumes of 5000 or more messages to Gmail addresses in one day. This is not a requirement for a personal self-hosted email.
Google et al have successfully turned email into the domain of a few SaaS, and at half of them blatant spammers can message millions with no record of consent with the most obvious scams and have it delivered into the inbox. Hell, most spam these days I get from hacked Gmail accounts. The game is rigged, as they say.
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#16Abusive, SPF is plenty enough unless you cannot map the domain with the right IPs due to DNS trickery (rotation, etc), then you would need an IP agnostic way to do some checks, hence the cryptographic DNS based signature. That said, with no-DNS email addresses, SPF comes for free (alice@[x.x.x.x] bob@[ipv6:...]). Namely, if SPF does pass, cryptographic DNS based signature mecanisms are excessive and must not be used…
And to round it out, DMARC tells the receiver what to do when the SPF or DKIM tests fail, namely "report", "quarantine", or "reject". Not sure why they're requiring it when it doesn't affect a spam verdict. Maybe it's so those who run a misconfigured server can't complain if their mail is being dropped silently, google and yahoo can just tell them to switch the policy to "report".
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
If your personal self-hosted email routes outbound messages through a smarthost, it could affect you.
Wouldn't it be based on send volume from your domain, and not send volume via your sending IP / smarthost?
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#18> These mandates will only affect bulk senders, defined by Google as senders with volumes of 5000 or more messages to Gmail addresses in one day. This is not a requirement for a personal self-hosted email.
Indeed, self-hosted email is commonly rejected despite doing all these things. Google et al have successfully turned email into the domain of a few SaaS, and at half of them blatant spammers can message millions with no record of consent with the most obvious scams and have it delivered into the inbox. Hell, most spam these days I get from hacked Gmail accounts. The game is rigged, as they say.
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#19> These mandates will only affect bulk senders, defined by Google as senders with volumes of 5000 or more messages to Gmail addresses in one day. This is not a requirement for a personal self-hosted email.
Indeed, self-hosted email is commonly rejected despite doing all these things. Google et al have successfully turned email into the domain of a few SaaS, and at half of them blatant spammers can message millions with no record of consent with the most obvious scams and have it delivered into the inbox. Hell, most spam these days I get from hacked Gmail accounts. The game is rigged, as they say.
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#20As a self-hoster for over a decade, setting up SPF, DKIM, and DMARC are pretty much once-and-done and free, so there's pretty much no downside. I'd be shocked if most self-hosters haven't set these up long ago.