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Re: New GeForce RTX 4080 Super, RTX 4070 Ti Super, RTX 4070 Super

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> All three GeForce RTX 40 SUPER Series GPUs are faster than their predecessors It's weird that they're only comparing the new cards to the RTX 30's and 20's, and not the "v1" 40's. I assume the 4080 SUPER is faster than the 4080 (based on name?) but it seems cheaper and there's absolutely no comparison data

This was what I came to comment. Very strange.

This article https://beebom.com/nvidia-rtx-4080-4070-ti-super-gpu-specs-r... says "the RTX 4070 Ti Super is up to 10% faster than the non-Super 4070 Ti on average"

So, on average, up to 10% faster, yeah seems pretty incremental.

Re: New GeForce RTX 4080 Super, RTX 4070 Ti Super, RTX 4070 Super

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> All three GeForce RTX 40 SUPER Series GPUs are faster than their predecessors It's weird that they're only comparing the new cards to the RTX 30's and 20's, and not the "v1" 40's. I assume the 4080 SUPER is faster than the 4080 (based on name?) but it seems cheaper and there's absolutely no comparison data

This was what I came to comment. Very strange. This article https://beebom.com/nvidia-rtx-4080-4070-ti-super-gpu-specs-r... says "the RTX 4070 Ti Super is up to 10% faster than the non-Super 4070 Ti on average" So, on average, up to 10% faster, yeah seems pretty incremental.

The big difference with the 4070 Ti Super is that it's using the AD103 chip (with a full 256-bit memory bus and 16GB of VRAM) found in the 4080, which is a huge leap over the AD104 chip found in the 4070 Ti (non-Super), which only touts a 192-bit memory bus and 12GB of VRAM.

While the TFLOPS of the Super variant does only see a ~10% increase as you note, memory bandwidth jumps by 42% and the memory capacity jumps by 33%, while the launch price is the same in my currency.

It basically bridges half the distance between a 4070 Ti (non-Super) and a 4080 (non-Super) for the same launch price as a 4070 Ti (non-Super).

Great card for memory intensive workloads like LLM inference with big context windows, IMO.

EDIT1: 4070 Ti Super TDP is 320W (same as 4080), higher than the anticipated 285W

EDIT2: launch price confirmed to be same as the 4070 Ti (non-Super), lower than anticipated!

Re: New GeForce RTX 4080 Super, RTX 4070 Ti Super, RTX 4070 Super

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The important bits... > The GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER arrives January 31st, starting at $999 > The GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER launches January 24th, starting at $799 > The GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER launches January 17th, starting at $599

I wonder if nVidia is going to commit to providing enough stock to keep prices at or under those MSRP values.

Since crypto has crashed so much and most of these are borderline useless for AI/ML, there's not likely to be too much of an issue. The MSRP is already massively marked up.

Re: New GeForce RTX 4080 Super, RTX 4070 Ti Super, RTX 4070 Super

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If you’re interested in ML training, to save you some time, RTX 4080 Super and RTX 4070 Ti Super have 16GB GDDR6X, the RTX 4070 Super has 12GB.

Thanks! That rules them out completely EDIT: For training

Why?

Re: New GeForce RTX 4080 Super, RTX 4070 Ti Super, RTX 4070 Super

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was what I came to comment. Very strange. This article https://beebom.com/nvidia-rtx-4080-4070-ti-super-gpu-specs-r... says "the RTX 4070 Ti Super is up to 10% faster than the non-Super 4070 Ti on average" So, on average, up to 10% faster, yeah seems pretty incremental.

The big difference with the 4070 Ti Super is that it's using the AD103 chip (with a full 256-bit memory bus and 16GB of VRAM) found in the 4080, which is a huge leap over the AD104 chip found in the 4070 Ti (non-Super), which only touts a 192-bit memory bus and 12GB of VRAM. While the TFLOPS of the Super variant does only see a ~10% increase as you note, memory bandwidth jumps by 42% and the memory capacity jumps by…

Appreciate the extra insight here! I hope for the sake of purchasers it is only 12% cost increase, but I have a suspicion if there's more than 12% extra value, we'll see it in the price

Re: New GeForce RTX 4080 Super, RTX 4070 Ti Super, RTX 4070 Super

#17

> All three GeForce RTX 40 SUPER Series GPUs are faster than their predecessors It's weird that they're only comparing the new cards to the RTX 30's and 20's, and not the "v1" 40's. I assume the 4080 SUPER is faster than the 4080 (based on name?) but it seems cheaper and there's absolutely no comparison data

They’re trying to sell to me, the owner of a fully orphaned 3070 with a measly 8GB of vram. Not a current 40 series owner.

What does orphaned mean in this context?

Re: New GeForce RTX 4080 Super, RTX 4070 Ti Super, RTX 4070 Super

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if nVidia is going to commit to providing enough stock to keep prices at or under those MSRP values.

Since crypto has crashed so much and most of these are borderline useless for AI/ML, there's not likely to be too much of an issue. The MSRP is already massively marked up.

Considering the poor generational performance uplift the original 4000 series cards had vs the 3000 series - it almost seems like these super variants are what nVidia should have originally launched. :-/

Re: New GeForce RTX 4080 Super, RTX 4070 Ti Super, RTX 4070 Super

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If you’re interested in ML training, to save you some time, RTX 4080 Super and RTX 4070 Ti Super have 16GB GDDR6X, the RTX 4070 Super has 12GB.

Thanks! That rules them out completely EDIT: For training

Are you aware that cards containing “LLM” (40-80GB) levels of VRAM cost substantially more and the status quo for consumer cards hovers around 4-12GB, only going to 24GB for top end cards?
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