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Re: Researchers discover physical cause of long Covid tiredness

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Post by frakt0x90 »

xerox13ster wrote: post #8
kick_in_the_dor wrote: post #5

> we saw that the mitochondria of the muscle, also known as the energy factories of the cell *Ahem*, powerhouse of the cell Jokes aside, this is a terrifying stat: "Although the majority of people infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus recover within weeks...around one in eight will get long-COVID. Symptoms in patients with long-COVID...include severe cognitive problems (brain fog), fatigue, exercise intolerance, autonom…

Even more terrifying considering we can be reinfected multiple times so we might be rolling those odds every time. E: changed "we are" to "we might be"

It would be interesting to know if the odds decrease with reinfection. Are there any studies on that?

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Post by tasty_freeze »

ikekkdcjkfke wrote: post #6

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You realize that there was no vaccine for about a year, during which millions of people were infected, many dying and many more left with long COVID symptoms. There is no need to scapegoat vaccines for causing these problems.

Re: Researchers discover physical cause of long Covid tiredness

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Post by subtra3t »

frakt0x90 wrote: post #11
xerox13ster wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even more terrifying considering we can be reinfected multiple times so we might be rolling those odds every time. E: changed "we are" to "we might be"

It would be interesting to know if the odds decrease with reinfection. Are there any studies on that?

Also if there's a study on how the symptoms change with reinfection that'd be great too.

EDIT: I just realised that some people may interpet the comment as saying that long-covid's symptoms are a great thing or something along those lines. I just meant that it would be nice to find such a study. Sorry.

Re: Researchers discover physical cause of long Covid tiredness

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Post by JohnMakin »

tasty_freeze wrote: post #9

The title is a lot more exciting than what is actually being claimed. They say that malfunctioning mitochondria are to blame ... but there is no insight into why the mitochondria are malfunctioning. My wife, a formerly energetic, outgoing, type A person, has been suffering from ME/CFS for 20 years. Long COVID symptoms are highly similar to ME/CFS problems, and the hope has been that the long-underfunded ME/CFS resear…

It is exciting. Before this, we could only posit wild guesses as to the physical mechanism behind long COVID (if there was one at all). In the first year or two, scientists even doubted whether it was real at all. When you know the physical mechanism, it allows you to figure out a way to treat it.

Re: Researchers discover physical cause of long Covid tiredness

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Post by OJFord »

tasty_freeze wrote: post #12
ikekkdcjkfke wrote: post #6

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You realize that there was no vaccine for about a year, during which millions of people were infected, many dying and many more left with long COVID symptoms. There is no need to scapegoat vaccines for causing these problems.

Not to mention the absurd arbitrariness of it if not even willing to propose a mechanism for it.

Re: Researchers discover physical cause of long Covid tiredness

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Post by olivermuty »

frakt0x90 wrote: post #11
xerox13ster wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even more terrifying considering we can be reinfected multiple times so we might be rolling those odds every time. E: changed "we are" to "we might be"

It would be interesting to know if the odds decrease with reinfection. Are there any studies on that?

A news thing I read today said the trend was opposite. Norwegian article and no reference to whatever publication they based that claim on, but serious newspaper at least.

So take the claim with a grain of salt.

Re: Researchers discover physical cause of long Covid tiredness

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Post by progrus »

OJFord wrote: post #15
tasty_freeze wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You realize that there was no vaccine for about a year, during which millions of people were infected, many dying and many more left with long COVID symptoms. There is no need to scapegoat vaccines for causing these problems.

Not to mention the absurd arbitrariness of it if not even willing to propose a mechanism for it.

One mechanism is physiological stress when people believe they’ve been cursed:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1447278/

Re: Researchers discover physical cause of long Covid tiredness

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Post by blindriver »

kick_in_the_dor wrote: post #5

> we saw that the mitochondria of the muscle, also known as the energy factories of the cell *Ahem*, powerhouse of the cell Jokes aside, this is a terrifying stat: "Although the majority of people infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus recover within weeks...around one in eight will get long-COVID. Symptoms in patients with long-COVID...include severe cognitive problems (brain fog), fatigue, exercise intolerance, autonom…

There is nothing to be “terrified” about. You are conflating different types of “long covid”.

Some covid infections, just like the cold or the flu, cause symptoms longer than the 5-7 days, maybe for 2-3 weeks. That’s long covid. Also remember that long covid symptoms include symptoms like depression and it ends up not being very rigorously defined.

Then there is the version that creates long term chronic fatigue symptoms. That is a much smaller percentage of the population, more like 1% or less. The chances of getting that are extremely small and there’s nothing to be terrified about. You can also get CFS from the flu, and other benign diseases.

Just from looking at the general population it’s easy to see that 1/8 people are not suffering from long covid. Just like how I know someone who got the vaccine and she ended up being crippled by arthritis from the vaccine, but that is not a common side effect at all otherwise we would have seen that more often in the people around us.

Re: Researchers discover physical cause of long Covid tiredness

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Post by dns_snek »

xerox13ster wrote: post #8
kick_in_the_dor wrote: post #5

> we saw that the mitochondria of the muscle, also known as the energy factories of the cell *Ahem*, powerhouse of the cell Jokes aside, this is a terrifying stat: "Although the majority of people infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus recover within weeks...around one in eight will get long-COVID. Symptoms in patients with long-COVID...include severe cognitive problems (brain fog), fatigue, exercise intolerance, autonom…

Even more terrifying considering we can be reinfected multiple times so we might be rolling those odds every time. E: changed "we are" to "we might be"

Are you sure about that? Couldn't it be a case predisposition, meaning you roll those odds exactly once?
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