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Gerhard Behles and Robert Henke on Ableton (2016)

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Re: Gerhard Behles and Robert Henke on Ableton (2016)

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weinzierl wrote: post #5

I like how Ableton brought a breath of fresh air into traditional DAWs. If you use Reaper, but want it to be more like Ableton there is Playtime[1]. From what I understand it is currently rewritten in Rust with a new release expected in 2024. [1] https://www.helgoboss.org/projects/playtime/

Interesting, thanks for posting. I was looking for something similar although aimed primarily at drum patterns programming and later arranging them into a song, not unlike the older drum machines allowed, but more modern with visual representation of patterns as objects on screen and the ability to create variations just by cloning them for example by drag&drop then applying the needed changes, then link them together. This could be also used live, possibly creating different paths according to MIDI signals from external devices (pads? - pedalboard?) for example to choose to continue a song for a few more bars, or a different ending, a song variation based on the audience mood, etc.

Re: Gerhard Behles and Robert Henke on Ableton (2016)

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uxcolumbo wrote: post #10
NickC25 wrote: post #6

Live user here. Fantastic interview. While Live certainly isn't perfect and there are other DAWs out there that are quite feature-rich and offer a different & interesting workflow, I keep coming back to Live as my main DAW. It's just so versatile. Keep up the great work, Ableton!

What's your view on Bitwig? Created by ex Ableton folks.

I've toyed around with it a few times. I like it! It's definitely a cool product, and I think with its focus on modularity it blurs the line between a traditional DAW focused on production/composition and a more experimental DAW focused on sound design, as opposed to Live's focus on blurring the line between a DAW focused on live performance and a DAW focused on composition/production.

I'm not one who is focused on a DAW's particular weaknesses, rather, what makes each one unique from a functionality point of view.

I love Live, but that doesn't mean I hate FL Studio, Reason, Logic, Bitwig, VCV Rack, etc... In fact, as someone who spends more time in the DAW doing crazy and experimental sound design versus actual song production (blame my ADHD for that!), I enjoy some of the unique features of all the major DAWs.

Re: Gerhard Behles and Robert Henke on Ableton (2016)

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Post by Scene_Cast2 »

Does anyone have recommendations for a DAW that's more for jamming - playing along to a song, or making stuff up on top of on a premade drum loop & bass line?

I found that most DAWs seem to be aimed at music creation instead. Camelot is close, but it can't take in a drum loop.

Disclaimer: I haven't tried (or put in effort into learning) many DAWs.

Re: Gerhard Behles and Robert Henke on Ableton (2016)

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Post by roddylindsay »

Scene_Cast2 wrote: post #13

Does anyone have recommendations for a DAW that's more for jamming - playing along to a song, or making stuff up on top of on a premade drum loop & bass line? I found that most DAWs seem to be aimed at music creation instead. Camelot is close, but it can't take in a drum loop. Disclaimer: I haven't tried (or put in effort into learning) many DAWs.

Ableton Live!

Re: Gerhard Behles and Robert Henke on Ableton (2016)

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Post by uxcolumbo »

NickC25 wrote: post #12
uxcolumbo wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's your view on Bitwig? Created by ex Ableton folks.

I've toyed around with it a few times. I like it! It's definitely a cool product, and I think with its focus on modularity it blurs the line between a traditional DAW focused on production/composition and a more experimental DAW focused on sound design, as opposed to Live's focus on blurring the line between a DAW focused on live performance and a DAW focused on composition/production. I'm not one who is focused on a…

Thanks for clarifying ;)

Do you have a bandcamp or similar where you post your sound design experiments?

Re: Gerhard Behles and Robert Henke on Ableton (2016)

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Post by Philpax »

Scene_Cast2 wrote: post #13

Does anyone have recommendations for a DAW that's more for jamming - playing along to a song, or making stuff up on top of on a premade drum loop & bass line? I found that most DAWs seem to be aimed at music creation instead. Camelot is close, but it can't take in a drum loop. Disclaimer: I haven't tried (or put in effort into learning) many DAWs.

You'll never believe what this article is about :-)

Re: Gerhard Behles and Robert Henke on Ableton (2016)

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Post by parenthesis »

Scene_Cast2 wrote: post #13

Does anyone have recommendations for a DAW that's more for jamming - playing along to a song, or making stuff up on top of on a premade drum loop & bass line? I found that most DAWs seem to be aimed at music creation instead. Camelot is close, but it can't take in a drum loop. Disclaimer: I haven't tried (or put in effort into learning) many DAWs.

You might want to look at https://www.irealpro.com/ and Band in a Box ( https://www.pgmusic.com/ ).

Re: Gerhard Behles and Robert Henke on Ableton (2016)

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Post by NickC25 »

uxcolumbo wrote: post #15
NickC25 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've toyed around with it a few times. I like it! It's definitely a cool product, and I think with its focus on modularity it blurs the line between a traditional DAW focused on production/composition and a more experimental DAW focused on sound design, as opposed to Live's focus on blurring the line between a DAW focused on live performance and a DAW focused on composition/production. I'm not one who is focused on a…

Thanks for clarifying ;) Do you have a bandcamp or similar where you post your sound design experiments?

I wish I had enough complete projects to actually put up on SC or Bandcamp or whatever.

I have close to a thousand uncompleted Live projects sitting on my current laptop and old laptop, some are just little melodic loops, some are fully built out EDM/house/techno/electronic loops, some are just whatever happened when opening Ableton after a night of substance abuse (read: completely unorganized, unmixed, heavily distorted sonic chaos).

I can't arrange for shit, even though it's easy and straightforward. This is the one part of Live I don't like - you can just noodle around in clip view if you'd like, and unlike FL, Logic, Pro Tools, you aren't arranging from the start.

What I really enjoy doing is just being unfamiliar with a new plugin or piece of equipment and just noodling around with it creating happy accidents. Presets are cool if you want to just make music and not learn the plugin.

I would love if it there was a HN thread for DAW geeks with regular meetups or Zoom chats so we could all show off what little nuggets of production we've learned. There are so many things in Live that I don't use or even know exists (or how to use) that I wish someone could just show me, or vice versa.

Re: Gerhard Behles and Robert Henke on Ableton (2016)

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Post by an_aparallel »

Scene_Cast2 wrote: post #13

Does anyone have recommendations for a DAW that's more for jamming - playing along to a song, or making stuff up on top of on a premade drum loop & bass line? I found that most DAWs seem to be aimed at music creation instead. Camelot is close, but it can't take in a drum loop. Disclaimer: I haven't tried (or put in effort into learning) many DAWs.

in 2019 bought a serious amount of hardware. As an FL user - i tried to make it work in FL - it was a miserable experience. FF to a few months ago - bought an RME AES midi card - connect my physical synths to it....grab an ableton demo - fire up ableton - and with an extra piece of magic - the Novation Launchpad MK3 - im jamming, looping, combining patterns - all screen free...its the best of "dawless" and computer music production i've ever experienced.

I get the whole Live fanboying. It's really great for open ended production - and perfectly suites the fluidity and separation of "audio finger painting" - and "song finishing".

I have many gripes about it - which both FL and Reaper address - but i highly recommend it as a DAW for people who want to "play"/"bash stuff out".

Re: Gerhard Behles and Robert Henke on Ableton (2016)

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Post by dottjt »

uxcolumbo wrote: post #10
NickC25 wrote: post #6

Live user here. Fantastic interview. While Live certainly isn't perfect and there are other DAWs out there that are quite feature-rich and offer a different & interesting workflow, I keep coming back to Live as my main DAW. It's just so versatile. Keep up the great work, Ableton!

What's your view on Bitwig? Created by ex Ableton folks.

It's funny, because I went full Bitwig after being dissatisfied with the lack of certain workflow features in Ableton Live (for example, no customisable shortcuts, crappy bounce workflow etc.)

...and while I loved Bitwig, and while Bitwig is vastly superior on a technical and workflow level, I had this epiphany about music making: It should be about making music.

It's not about having shortcuts or having better ways of doing things. The problem is that I ended up spending more time customising Bitwig and playing around with all the cool things it could do, that it kind of took the focus away from actually making music.

Basically, I'm the kind of person that likes to tinker and that's a huge distraction for me. I think what makes Ableton Live so valuable to me, is that there is no tinker.

It's the fact that it is so bare-bones in a lot of ways, that makes it work for me and allows me to focus on making music.

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