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Re: Indexing semantic versions in RocksDB

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Post by blyzz »

samsquire wrote: post #5

I am curious, I recently wrote a naive hashmap for C. I am curious about iterating in insert and sort order. Is it possible for a hash function to maintain a sort relationship to it's input and output?

Supporting insertion order is straightforward (but has some trade-offs) - you store the values in a backing array or linked list, and the hash table array stores pointers to the values.

You could do something similar with a sorted data structure backing the hashmap to get sorted order (a b-tree or something similar).

You could have the hash function preserve order at the cost of it being a very bad hash function. If you had n buckets, then the first 1/n elements in the keyspace would map to bucket 0, then next 1/n elements map to bucket 1, etc.

Re: Indexing semantic versions in RocksDB

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Post by curtisblaine »

morelisp wrote: post #9

Using RocksDB here seems fairly insane unless you need to keep (at least) several billion constantly-updating versions sorted. Otherwise you can just use SortedMap and regular Java comparators.

They might just want cheap disk persistence. I'm not a Java developer, but if SortedMaps are a memory-only data structure, persisting them reliably doesn't look an easy feat.

Re: Indexing semantic versions in RocksDB

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Post by morelisp »

curtisblaine wrote: post #13
morelisp wrote: post #9

Using RocksDB here seems fairly insane unless you need to keep (at least) several billion constantly-updating versions sorted. Otherwise you can just use SortedMap and regular Java comparators.

They might just want cheap disk persistence. I'm not a Java developer, but if SortedMaps are a memory-only data structure, persisting them reliably doesn't look an easy feat.

RocksDB is disk persistence but it sure ain't (for this scale) cheap.

Persisting just about anything in Java is easier than persisting it in Java in RocksDB.

Re: Indexing semantic versions in RocksDB

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Post by morelisp »

klysm wrote: post #12
utopcell wrote: post #3

> "The technical primitive data structure here is a hashmap where the keys are sorted." ..somewhere, this person's algorithms teacher is pondering about his life choices.

I don’t see why that’s a particularly bad explanation of how RocksDB works

It's not using hashes.

(OK, well, it is maybe using hashes for the per-SST Bloom filter, but that's not what's interesting here. It's maybe also using hashes in the memtable in which case they're using it very inefficiently since the key encoding is not prefix-scan-friendly.)

Re: Indexing semantic versions in RocksDB

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Post by curtisblaine »

morelisp wrote: post #14
curtisblaine wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They might just want cheap disk persistence. I'm not a Java developer, but if SortedMaps are a memory-only data structure, persisting them reliably doesn't look an easy feat.

RocksDB is disk persistence but it sure ain't (for this scale) cheap. Persisting just about anything in Java is easier than persisting it in Java in RocksDB .

How would you persist a Sorted Map in Java easily? Serializing and deserializing is OK, but keep in mind that if the program crashes you still need to persist all the data that was saved before the crash (so you can't keep in memory and serialize at exit, or at a time interval)

Re: Indexing semantic versions in RocksDB

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Post by morelisp »

curtisblaine wrote: post #16
morelisp wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

RocksDB is disk persistence but it sure ain't (for this scale) cheap. Persisting just about anything in Java is easier than persisting it in Java in RocksDB .

How would you persist a Sorted Map in Java easily? Serializing and deserializing is OK, but keep in mind that if the program crashes you still need to persist all the data that was saved before the crash (so you can't keep in memory and serialize at exit, or at a time interval)

Given the size of any dataset of the type being discussed here, you dump the whole thing to disk on every change.

Re: Indexing semantic versions in RocksDB

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Post by adamretter »

zokier wrote: post #2

I don't know anything about rocksdb, but this approach on surface level seems like it could be very slow? Wouldn't it be more efficient to encode the semver in a format more suitable to sorting

By default RocksDB uses a ByteWiseComparator to sort the keys in the SST. However, RocksDB allows you to provide any comparator you wish. So ultimately it will depend on the performance of the comparator that you implement.
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