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Do we need dei in tech?

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Re: Do we need dei in tech?

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Post by acidpanda »

Nextgrid wrote: post #8

DEI and "wokeness" was popular back when most of tech was unprofitable advertising-funded ("growth & engagement") garbage which which is extremely risk-averse and vulnerable to public opinion, thus copious amounts of virtue signalling were needed and DEI filled that niche. These companies were more akin to playgrounds than actual for-profit enterprises. That era is over - the majority of unprofitable companies have b…

I do believe that the advertising-funded models definitely are not to be depended on, and social media has suffered a lot because of that. I also think that the enforcement of that responsibility does fall in HR, but maybe DEI is also needed for that. Some of the time you're dealing with civil rights cases and other times you're seeking out diverse, non-traditional candidates to add to your company's perspective. It doesn't even have to be race-specific it could also be class-specific.

Re: Do we need dei in tech?

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Post by haltist »

acidpanda wrote: post #9
haltist wrote: post #2

If you are correct then DEI companies will be more profitable than those without because that's how capitalism works. Whatever makes the most money is the market winner. If being woke is more profitable then most companies will be woke.

Disney apparently seems to be pretty "woke" nowadays and they're still around

What was their latest production you paid money to see?

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Post by acidpanda »

symmetrist wrote: post #14
acidpanda wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

my Hulu subscription

That's nice. I hope you got good value out of it and their woke programming.

I actually have lol - I need to watch The Creator tho, I'll get around to it this weekend. Distributed by 20th Century Fox, now owned by Disney.

Not saying I'm a fan of the way in which they acquire up a lot of things but they do have good programming.

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Post by haltist »

acidpanda wrote: post #15
symmetrist wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's nice. I hope you got good value out of it and their woke programming.

I actually have lol - I need to watch The Creator tho, I'll get around to it this weekend. Distributed by 20th Century Fox, now owned by Disney. Not saying I'm a fan of the way in which they acquire up a lot of things but they do have good programming.

I did not know that 20th Century Fox was woke but since they are owned by Disney I'm sure they have the required number of diversity hires on their board of directors and studio executive teams. This would logically follow from their DEI policies.

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Post by mattigames »

eurekin wrote: post #17

I think, if you're competent that's all that matters

But what if your parents and their parents (and so for) have been systematically oppresed by the goverment and by private companies to put you in a position where becoming competent is way harder than it is for your peers? I know this argument can have reasonable criticisms and that they are many variables at play, but just saying "if you are competent that's all that matters" its just extremely reductionist.

Re: Do we need dei in tech?

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Post by eurekin »

mattigames wrote: post #18
eurekin wrote: post #17

I think, if you're competent that's all that matters

But what if your parents and their parents (and so for) have been systematically oppresed by the goverment and by private companies to put you in a position where becoming competent is way harder than it is for your peers? I know this argument can have reasonable criticisms and that they are many variables at play, but just saying "if you are competent that's all that matters" its just extremely reductionist.

I'd just do the best I could in that situation

Re: Do we need dei in tech?

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Post by mattigames »

eurekin wrote: post #19
mattigames wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But what if your parents and their parents (and so for) have been systematically oppresed by the goverment and by private companies to put you in a position where becoming competent is way harder than it is for your peers? I know this argument can have reasonable criticisms and that they are many variables at play, but just saying "if you are competent that's all that matters" its just extremely reductionist.

I'd just do the best I could in that situation

Sometimes their best it's not good enough to succeed, sometimes society has extend their hand to help them get out of their ugly situation, the situation that previous generations put them in; this of community-focused approach to society issues it's why homelessness in Japan is 0.2 per 10000 habitants vs 17 in the USA.
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