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Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by baal80spam »

duped wrote: post #8
j16sdiz wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to the article,"Transitioning Mozilla away from Firefox." is the current organisation goal. She have done her job great. why was it a goal, I have bo idea

Not affiliated with Mozilla in any way, but their mission isn't to create a browser. It's to "ensure the Internet is a global public resource, open and accessible to all." (1) Given that Firefox has kinda lost the browser war it seems obvious that they should be focusing efforts on other things that further that mission besides dumping money into a browser a tiny slice of people want to use. (1) https://www.mozilla.o…

> their mission isn't to create a browser

Aaaand that's why I don't use Firefox.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by jdksmdbtbdnmsm »

mips_r4300i wrote: post #9

"The focus for the future of Mozilla -- according to Mozilla -- is primarily based around Artificial Intelligence services." I sense a great disturbance in the Force...

LMAO the tech industry is such a joke.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by hellotomyrars »

j16sdiz wrote: post #3
sydbarrett74 wrote: post #2

Mitchell Baker needs to go. I hold her responsible for much of Firefox's slide in use over the years. She keeps pulling in a larger and larger salary for doing less and less.

According to the article,"Transitioning Mozilla away from Firefox." is the current organisation goal. She have done her job great. why was it a goal, I have bo idea

The goal is obvious and not new. Firefox as a product is only useful to them as a handout from google to use as an antitrust defense.

The problem is that Mozilla hasn’t been able to find any product that generates any meaningful revenue.

It makes perfect sense for them to try to be an entity that can exist without their biggest competitor tossing them scraps.

How they should achieve that is certainly up for debate but it’s also clear that their attempts to add monetizable aspects to Firefox isn’t moving the needle much either.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by PedroBatista »

This Mozilla "situation" comes up here from time to time, unfortunately as a long time Firefox user all I have to say is: Mitchell Baker and their clique will only leave when Mozilla is completely dead and even by that time she'll retire and will make a wonderful post about her "legacy" in opensource and the Web.

I will not go further because it will turn into an all-bashing post, but Mozilla ( as you like to think of it ) is dead and has been dead for a long time.

Deal with it.

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Post by macspoofing »

Maybe, at some point the Mozilla Foundation will acknowledge Firefox as the fundamental pillar of their relevance and existence ... instead of seeing it as this vestigial organ that they can't 'cut loose'[1] ... one can hope.

[1] https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mark-surman-mozilla-25-y...

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by anonymousab »

j16sdiz wrote: post #3
sydbarrett74 wrote: post #2

Mitchell Baker needs to go. I hold her responsible for much of Firefox's slide in use over the years. She keeps pulling in a larger and larger salary for doing less and less.

According to the article,"Transitioning Mozilla away from Firefox." is the current organisation goal. She have done her job great. why was it a goal, I have bo idea

They likely view the idea off competing with Chrome - a key chess piece of the company keeping Mozilla around merely as a pet to ward of regulators - as impossible if not counterproductive to their mid-term survival at this point.

Which is to say, at some point they might become annoying enough for Google to not want to pay them anymore, and then Mozilla would cease to exist shortly thereafter.

So with that in mind, Firefox as a dedicated separate browser with its own engine is an albatross around their neck. A source of significant ongoing investment and cost for comparatively little return. For the Mozilla "mission" and the CEO's personal goals and purpose, a simple rebadged chromium fork skinned up with open-web platitudes is a far better idea in the long term.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by evasb »

People complain all the time and nothing changes. She doesn't care and in a month everybody forget that Firefox is in dire straits.

Google's Chromium project push new standards every month or so, and web developers are fast to adopt these standards and don't care about testing it on Firefox anymore. The Chromium monopoly is already a reality.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by jsnell »

hellotomyrars wrote: post #13
j16sdiz wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to the article,"Transitioning Mozilla away from Firefox." is the current organisation goal. She have done her job great. why was it a goal, I have bo idea

The goal is obvious and not new. Firefox as a product is only useful to them as a handout from google to use as an antitrust defense. The problem is that Mozilla hasn’t been able to find any product that generates any meaningful revenue. It makes perfect sense for them to try to be an entity that can exist without their biggest competitor tossing them scraps. How they should achieve that is certainly up for debate bu…

Firefox makes half a billion a year in revenue. It's not a handout like you claim, but a revenue share deal negotiated between the two companies.

If Google didn't pay for being the default search engine, or tried lowballing, someone else would make a deal instead.

The idea that it's some kind of a proactive antitrust defense is one of the more bizarre ideas that gets repeated on HN.

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