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Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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Patents. The classical government-granted monopoly. Incidentally the only type of undefeatable monopoly. Created with the best intentions, of course: to “encourage innovation”.

And encourage innovation it does.

Most initiatives are not purely good without any downsides. A principle to consider is: Just because there are some negative aspects sometimes, do those outweigh the good? In this case, how many negatives actually come from patent law? (Btw, a monopoly most often is not the result - there are often many solutions to a similar problem/need.). And consider the side of the creator (which I’ve been finding is surprisingly rare in hn) - creating a company and product is already incredibly hard, how much harder do we want to make that? What and who are we sacrificing?

Maybe we just adjust the patent law some. Decrease the number of years? I’m sure it could be better.

Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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I trust Apple's commitment to privacy as much as I do Google's, but when they both remove a product over a stupid patent rather than pay the patent holder (Sonos' sued Google with their multiroom audio patent), we can see that it's possible for corporations to hold principled views about things.

Google doesn't do business in China because they won't agree to the privacy violating terms of doing so, that is at least a $1T principle if you compare it to the amount of hardware and services that Apple sells there.

Is that a fair comparison? Apple sells devices, Google sells targeted advertising. Their business and constraints are different.

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Patents. The classical government-granted monopoly. Incidentally the only type of undefeatable monopoly. Created with the best intentions, of course: to “encourage innovation”.

And they often do. Apple of all companies certainly could've afforded to pay.

Not necessarily. Their “we won’t pay, and will go scorched earth on your patent portfolio” may prevent a flood of others with BS patents showing up.

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Why doesn't Apple enter into a deal with Masimo for a small percentage of the watch? Unless I missed it, the news article didn't go into more detail on why a deal couldn't be made.

Maybe Masimo isn’t offering a deal for an acceptably small amount.

Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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I trust Apple's commitment to privacy as much as I do Google's, but when they both remove a product over a stupid patent rather than pay the patent holder (Sonos' sued Google with their multiroom audio patent), we can see that it's possible for corporations to hold principled views about things.

Google doesn't do business in China because they won't agree to the privacy violating terms of doing so, that is at least a $1T principle if you compare it to the amount of hardware and services that Apple sells there.

I find this dubious. Google is not known for respecting privacy, and large corporations in general are not known for voluntarily passing on trillion dollar markets on moral grounds. Is there perhaps an alternative explanation that isn't as far fetched?

Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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Patents. The classical government-granted monopoly. Incidentally the only type of undefeatable monopoly. Created with the best intentions, of course: to “encourage innovation”.

There are many problems with software patents and patents that are "_____ but on a phone/watch" but I'm curious of what your solution is? What is a better system?

Unencumbered free markets. Same system that got us the unimaginable (just a few generations ago) wealth we live in right now.

Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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Why doesn't Apple enter into a deal with Masimo for a small percentage of the watch? Unless I missed it, the news article didn't go into more detail on why a deal couldn't be made.

Probably because, since Masimo has Apple over a barrel, they want a large percentage of the watch.

Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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Why doesn't Apple enter into a deal with Masimo for a small percentage of the watch? Unless I missed it, the news article didn't go into more detail on why a deal couldn't be made.

Probably would cost them more than waiting them out in court, or would encourage or make it easier for other patent holders, however legitimate, to go after them.
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