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Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

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Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

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Post by Moto7451 »

cr3ative wrote: post #4

...in America. Europe here quite nicely standardising on CCS2.

IIRC it’s a legal requirement vs just a standard like CCS1. South Korea has the same legal demand for CCS1 so it’ll be interesting to see what happens with NACS there.

I personally don’t mind using CCS vs NACS. I didn’t feel super inspired by the flex I felt when inserting a supercharger’s plug into a Model 3 but clearly it works fine in practice.

My guess is that Electrify America with NACS plugs will still be just as problematic if they’re unreliable in your area. Plug vs Network vs Hardware are being conflated in this discussion. Adding CCS to Superchargers would have worked just as well but that’s not how America works in this case.

Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

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Post by _ea1k »

HPsquared wrote: post #9
m3kw9 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it’s electrical it wouldn’t be too hard to conver from one standard to another using an adapter, since it’s standard on both sides there will be a money incentive to make one

How about voltage / current / communication? Seems quite a complicated problem, it's not just a case of different USB plug styles..

It actually is very similar to USB plug styles. NACS communicates the same way that CCS does. Converting between NACS and CCS1 or CCS2 connectors should be easy.

The biggest issue is the amount of current involved.

Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

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Post by 0xfae »

HPsquared wrote: post #9
m3kw9 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it’s electrical it wouldn’t be too hard to conver from one standard to another using an adapter, since it’s standard on both sides there will be a money incentive to make one

How about voltage / current / communication? Seems quite a complicated problem, it's not just a case of different USB plug styles..

Actually USB is a great example.

USB C can charge at 5v, 10v, 20v, etc. When you plug in a device to the charger a hand shake happens between the charger and device and they choose the voltage and amperage that makes sense. A macbook pro can take 100W over USBC but obviously your headphones or phone aren't going to.

Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

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Post by _ea1k »

cr3ative wrote: post #4

...in America. Europe here quite nicely standardising on CCS2.

I suspect the US would have done the same thing, if manufacturers had done CCS2 instead of CCS1. Also would have helped if the US had done "bring your own cable", which seems to be common in Europe.

Interestingly, the new NACS standardization process seems to be encouraging that as well.

Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

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Post by valine »

clouddrover wrote: post #6

> Volkswagen Group, which also owns Audi, Porsche, and Scout Motors, is finally doing what nearly every other automaker has already done: announce its intention to adopt Tesla’s electric vehicle charging standard. The reporting around this has been so poor. NACS is CCS with Tesla's plug on the end. What's happening is that CCS has won the EV charging protocol wars, Tesla's plug is being standardized as CCS type 3 (ak…

When people talk about standardizing the charge port they’re talking about the shape of the port not the protocol. Tesla has supported the CCS protocol for years now.

The Tesla port is vastly superior to the CCS type 1 port. They should get credit for making it an open standard.

Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

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Post by SEJeff »

lnsru wrote: post #5

Logical move. North American Charging Standard does not exist in Europe making car re-import much more difficult.

So there is actually a technical reason here. NACS isn't a thing in Europe because 3 Phase power is much more common in Europe. NACS does not support 3 Phase power, and as a result, is not that common in Europe.

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Post by bluGill »

blabla1224 wrote: post #13

I won’t be surprised if Tesla becomes a platform for other automakers like android from Google in the future

Auto makers are used to making their own platforms, and they won't change. Making a platform is not the hard part, and there are advantages to a custom platform for each vehicle.
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