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Mickey, Disney, and the public domain: A 95-year love triangle

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Re: Mickey, Disney, and the public domain: A 95-year love triangle

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Mickey Mouse curve finally is defeated. Now it should be beaten back down which is harder.

You could freeze it, sorta. So it is 94, then 93, then 92 and so on, years.

People with copyrights today, don't lose anything. Only new ones have shorter terms.

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On the other hand, Disney itself is a talented and successful practitioner of building upon the public domain. In fact, the public domain is Disney’s bread and butter. Frozen was inspired by Hans Christian Andersen’s The Snow Queen. The Lion King draws from Shakespeare’s Hamlet, Biblical stories, and possibly an epic poem about the founder of the Mali Empire.[3] Fantasia showcases public domain classical music, and “…

Disney is both the best and worst when it comes to the public domain. It shows what you should do with it: take something that exists, remix it, release it, and even create a successful media & entertainment company. But efforts to aid extensions to the term of copyright expiration will – if they haven't already – have a deleterious effect.

> shows what you should do with it: take something that exists, remix it, release it, and even create a successful media & entertainment company.

and also shows you what to do to prevent other people from doing the same so that you get a monopoly.

Re: Mickey, Disney, and the public domain: A 95-year love triangle

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On the other hand, Disney itself is a talented and successful practitioner of building upon the public domain. In fact, the public domain is Disney’s bread and butter. Frozen was inspired by Hans Christian Andersen’s The Snow Queen. The Lion King draws from Shakespeare’s Hamlet, Biblical stories, and possibly an epic poem about the founder of the Mali Empire.[3] Fantasia showcases public domain classical music, and “…

Yes, that’s an important point. When my kids were small, I remember being struck by how much public-domain material I noticed in Disney videos and at Disneyland. Few of the Disney properties were based on original ideas; almost everything was built quite explicitly on other people’s creations, many of which Disney could use for free. This was in the 1990s, when Disney was lobbying to extend copyright terms in order to protect their rights in Mickey Mouse.

Re: Mickey, Disney, and the public domain: A 95-year love triangle

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post #11
post #4

Mickey Mouse curve finally is defeated. Now it should be beaten back down which is harder.

You could freeze it, sorta. So it is 94, then 93, then 92 and so on, years. People with copyrights today, don't lose anything. Only new ones have shorter terms.

That's better than nothing, but since it was pushed so aggressively before, it can as well be pushed backwards the same way.

Re: Mickey, Disney, and the public domain: A 95-year love triangle

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My pet theory is that the only reason we didn't see a copyright extension act this year, like we've seen every time Steamboat Willy was about to enter the public domain in the past, is that Disney ended up on one side of the culture wars with what went on in Florida. It's far more difficult to get bipartisan support for robbing the public of what should be in the public domain once you've involved yourself in partisan politics.

Re: Mickey, Disney, and the public domain: A 95-year love triangle

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Was there a copyright reason for Disney changing their opening logo sequence to the steamboat willy thing? Some kind of "it's now our trademark" claim?

I've seen a lot of speculation that they've been slowly pivoting Steamboat Willie in preparation to use trademark litigation where copyright will no longer be effective.

Re: Mickey, Disney, and the public domain: A 95-year love triangle

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On the other hand, Disney itself is a talented and successful practitioner of building upon the public domain. In fact, the public domain is Disney’s bread and butter. Frozen was inspired by Hans Christian Andersen’s The Snow Queen. The Lion King draws from Shakespeare’s Hamlet, Biblical stories, and possibly an epic poem about the founder of the Mali Empire.[3] Fantasia showcases public domain classical music, and “…

Wasn't The Lion King a rip off of the Japanese anime Kimba? https://12tomatoes.com/kimba-similarity-lion-king/

Re: Mickey, Disney, and the public domain: A 95-year love triangle

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On the other hand, Disney itself is a talented and successful practitioner of building upon the public domain. In fact, the public domain is Disney’s bread and butter. Frozen was inspired by Hans Christian Andersen’s The Snow Queen. The Lion King draws from Shakespeare’s Hamlet, Biblical stories, and possibly an epic poem about the founder of the Mali Empire.[3] Fantasia showcases public domain classical music, and “…

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