Legal verdicts can be extremely path-dependent. I wonder how a judge would have evaluated Google's explanation of why legal-held docs were deleted.
Tim Sweeney on why Epic did better against Google than Apple in court
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Re: Tim Sweeney on why Epic did better against Google than Apple in court
#12Apple basically didn't write anything down. Tim Sweeney: The thing with Apple is all of their antitrust trickery is internal to the company. They use their store, their payments, they force developers to all have the same terms, they force OEMs and carriers to all have the same terms. I think the Apple case would be no less interesting if we could see all of their internal thoughts and deliberations, but Apple was no…
Google and Microsoft generally are the backstop against an Apple monopoly. Don't like Apple making so many decisions for you as a user? Windows and Android are right there.
Re: Tim Sweeney on why Epic did better against Google than Apple in court
#13It’s not a question of evidence, but the law. There is no “duty to deal” with other firms. But if you choose to do so, you have to do so fairly.
This is not true. There is no such thing as having to deal “fairly”. You are completely free to make different deals with different customers
reason #1367 that HN commenters make horrible lawyers
Re: Tim Sweeney on why Epic did better against Google than Apple in court
#14Or, if you don't assume that Epic's case is automatically righteous, it may simply be that Apple acted legally while Google acted illegally. Certainly, there is evidence that Google used their market power to crush alternatives.
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#16> And I think Apple should be receiving at least as harsh antitrust scrutiny as Google. They both deserve antitrust attention, but Apple is the far worse offender. The cellphone is more essential than the car, and here are these two companies basically owning and taxing the roads, fuel, destinations, activities, and in-car entertainment. And you can't upgrade or change anything.
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Re: Tim Sweeney on why Epic did better against Google than Apple in court
#17Apple basically didn't write anything down. Tim Sweeney: The thing with Apple is all of their antitrust trickery is internal to the company. They use their store, their payments, they force developers to all have the same terms, they force OEMs and carriers to all have the same terms. I think the Apple case would be no less interesting if we could see all of their internal thoughts and deliberations, but Apple was no…
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#18> And I think Apple should be receiving at least as harsh antitrust scrutiny as Google. They both deserve antitrust attention, but Apple is the far worse offender. The cellphone is more essential than the car, and here are these two companies basically owning and taxing the roads, fuel, destinations, activities, and in-car entertainment. And you can't upgrade or change anything.
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No one mentioned side loading here and it seems clear that you pulled the weakest possible interpretation of their point to respond to. Please don't do that.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
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No one mentioned side loading here and it seems clear that you pulled the weakest possible interpretation of their point to respond to. Please don't do that.
So exactly who is forcing you to choose a closed ecosystem when there are literally hundreds of Android phones you can choose from?
Re: Tim Sweeney on why Epic did better against Google than Apple in court
#20It’s not a question of evidence, but the law. There is no “duty to deal” with other firms. But if you choose to do so, you have to do so fairly.
This is not true. There is no such thing as having to deal “fairly”. You are completely free to make different deals with different customers reason #1367 that HN commenters make horrible lawyers
Except fairly doesn't mean the same deals with different customers? It's perfectly fair to charge lower fees to someone already proven, while charging higher for someone who is just starting out. It's perfectly fair to have the same asking price for something, but sell it for less to someone who actually negotiated for it.