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Hasbro lays off nearly 20% of its workers

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Re: Hasbro lays off nearly 20% of its workers

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My heart goes out to those affected. Thats very rough. I know this isn't directly related to the article at hand or anything either, but I feel like I'm seeing a real uptick in November / December layoffs. Is it just me or was it really not a thing companies did with such frequency around the holidays? I feel like its as much a shedding of costs as it is a flex of big business trying to show strength because they all…

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Re: Hasbro lays off nearly 20% of its workers

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Getting laid off in December is tough. But it's better than getting laid off in January after coming back to work from holidays, with plans for the year ahead. At least this way, folks can recuperate with their family, and then hit the job market in January.

Or do others disagree?

Re: Hasbro lays off nearly 20% of its workers

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My heart goes out to those affected. Thats very rough. I know this isn't directly related to the article at hand or anything either, but I feel like I'm seeing a real uptick in November / December layoffs. Is it just me or was it really not a thing companies did with such frequency around the holidays? I feel like its as much a shedding of costs as it is a flex of big business trying to show strength because they all…

Perhaps it's a case of improved forecasting/data methods. Hasbro knows already this holiday season will be disastrous for them apparently, and previously companies that needed the holiday season to make their numbers had to wait until after it ended to really make decisions.

If enough of these companies start doing these “forecastings”, what are the odds that these forecasts end up causing the very event to happen.

Some stats in an index goes down, companies forecast annual sales downfall, starts cutting workforce in every industry, consumption tanks, makes the sales downfall a reality.

Also, really ? Being laid of at Christmas time ?, to save a few bucks, its not like hasbro’s going bankrupt or anything.

Humans do trade to improve each other’s quality of life, and not do things just for profit. It’s a means to an end, not the end. Too many companies are making their eyes into excel sheets, and ending up causing the very downfall by preparing for the downfall that they “anticipate”.

Re: Hasbro lays off nearly 20% of its workers

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I have a hunch a lot of companies that layoff in December are also motivated by the bonus structure. Many companies structure their bonus pay around the new year in line with their fiscal calendar, either paying at the beginning of the year or entitling them to the bonus paid out later in the year.

Re: Hasbro lays off nearly 20% of its workers

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Getting laid off in December is tough. But it's better than getting laid off in January after coming back to work from holidays, with plans for the year ahead. At least this way, folks can recuperate with their family, and then hit the job market in January. Or do others disagree?

Strong disagree. For anyone who makes enough to be getting severance, it's better to have it in the new tax year.

Re: Hasbro lays off nearly 20% of its workers

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post #5

My heart goes out to those affected. Thats very rough. I know this isn't directly related to the article at hand or anything either, but I feel like I'm seeing a real uptick in November / December layoffs. Is it just me or was it really not a thing companies did with such frequency around the holidays? I feel like its as much a shedding of costs as it is a flex of big business trying to show strength because they all…

I wonder if it's companies trying to inflate their year-end numbers to appease shareholders. I agree that it feels like more layoffs this month than I expected, but none of them are necessarily due to 'market conditions' per se, like the layoffs that happened at the end of last year and earlier this year. Spotify and Hasbro seem like they just made bad investments and focused on the wrong areas for their business and…

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Re: Hasbro lays off nearly 20% of its workers

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post #5

My heart goes out to those affected. Thats very rough. I know this isn't directly related to the article at hand or anything either, but I feel like I'm seeing a real uptick in November / December layoffs. Is it just me or was it really not a thing companies did with such frequency around the holidays? I feel like its as much a shedding of costs as it is a flex of big business trying to show strength because they all…

I wonder if it's companies trying to inflate their year-end numbers to appease shareholders. I agree that it feels like more layoffs this month than I expected, but none of them are necessarily due to 'market conditions' per se, like the layoffs that happened at the end of last year and earlier this year. Spotify and Hasbro seem like they just made bad investments and focused on the wrong areas for their business and…

A completely unenforcable concept, but an interesting thought exercise: if executives (and with that, SVP/VPs) were as likely to experience the recieving end of a layoff the same as those below them on the org chart, how would that affect how often they happen in the first place?

For instance, if the VPs and SVPs in charge of the toy division were guaranteed to be part of the layoff, do you think the calculus would have changed? You rarely hear about it actually having reprocusssions on the C-Suite or their immediate peers (VP / SVP).

Look at it from another angle: if the layoff has to happen due to poor planning or lack of direction etc. Thats set from the top but only the bottom layers of your company is affected by the layoff. Shouldn't actually be in the reverse, where executives, SVPs and VPs should be booted as a matter of course, as they are the ones that set the direction after all and supposedly "bare the responsibility" of the company.

This reminds me of a book I was reading, The Hard Things About Hard Things. Its an interesting book, full of alot of useful information, but one thing that grinded my gears is how he talked about layoffs vs removing executives (defined as VP and up)

With layoffs, he says to do it successfully, you need to train you managers to do the following:

- Be able toexplain briefly about what happend, and that it is a company rather than a personal [employee] failure

- Be clear how the employee is impacted and that the decision is non-negotiable

- Be fully prepared about the benefits and support the company plans to provide.

Okay, on the surface, this seems good, but the first two bullets are extremely specific and targeted, while the last one uses more lax language regarding benefits and support the company plans to provide. Which is to say, it does not say serverance, it does not say what good support should look like.

Follow so far? Okay, so its pretty open ended, particularly that last part.

Then, in the exact next chapter, he talks about firing an executive, and it is suppose to work as follows:

- Be clear on the reasons

- Use decisive language

- Have the severange package approved and ready

As you can see, clearly, to fire an executive, you must clearly provide a serverance package and make sure its approved and ready

In a nutshell, this is how they see it. The executive class does not play by our rules, and never has to take the same ownership the rest of us do, period. Its explicitly spelled out that the executive must have a severance package, approved and ready where as supporting frontline employees in a layoff is left to the readers imagination as to what you should be doing for benefits and support.

I want everyone to remember this. Ben Horowitz has said outloud that what we're all thinking is true. Executives see themselves as above non executives, and expect to be treated as such.

This is in a nutshell is why the average worker should never trust the executive class and should unionize

Re: Hasbro lays off nearly 20% of its workers

#18

Getting laid off in December is tough. But it's better than getting laid off in January after coming back to work from holidays, with plans for the year ahead. At least this way, folks can recuperate with their family, and then hit the job market in January. Or do others disagree?

Higher level, this is why I support employees unionizing. Yes, it is not lolipops and rainbows. Yes, there is a change in dynamic. But if we're going to accept corporations are okay to act as psychopaths, then labor should organize to be the lawnmower the same way tech folks joke about Oracle. The knife should cut both ways.

Otherwise, management and shareholders are just going to keep operating in this manner and treating workers poorly and nothing will change.

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> "As you know people, as you learn about things, you realize that these generalizations we have are, virtually to a generalization, false. Well, except for this one, as it turns out. What you think of Oracle, is even truer than you think it is. There has been no entity in human history with less complexity or nuance to it than Oracle. And I gotta say, as someone who has seen that complexity for my entire life, it's very hard to get used to that idea. It's like, 'surely this is more complicated!' but it's like: Wow, this is really simple! This company is very straightforward, in its defense. This company is about one man, his alter-ego, and what he wants to inflict upon humanity -- that's it! ...Ship mediocrity, inflict misery, lie our asses off, screw our customers, and make a whole shitload of money. Yeah... you talk to Oracle, it's like, 'no, we don't fucking make dreams happen -- we make money!' ...You need to think of Larry Ellison the way you think of a lawnmower. You don't anthropomorphize your lawnmower, the lawnmower just mows the lawn, you stick your hand in there and it'll chop it off, the end. You don't think 'oh, the lawnmower hates me' -- lawnmower doesn't give a shit about you, lawnmower can't hate you. Don't anthropomorphize the lawnmower. Don't fall into that trap about Oracle."

Labor should try being the lawnmower instead of the lawn; "the beatings will continue until morale improves."

Re: Hasbro lays off nearly 20% of its workers

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Getting laid off in December is tough. But it's better than getting laid off in January after coming back to work from holidays, with plans for the year ahead. At least this way, folks can recuperate with their family, and then hit the job market in January. Or do others disagree?

It's easy to view it this way when you're a highly paid software worker, but the average worker in a plastic toy or board game factory is unlikely to have much runway so pretty much needs to start searching immediately with news like that.

Factory workers also are not going to be getting the kind of severance packages software devs get.

Re: Hasbro lays off nearly 20% of its workers

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Getting laid off in December is tough. But it's better than getting laid off in January after coming back to work from holidays, with plans for the year ahead. At least this way, folks can recuperate with their family, and then hit the job market in January. Or do others disagree?

You know how it’s like impossible to get anything done in companies from about Dec 1 through Jan 15th? Because everyone’s taking time off, winding things down before taking time off, or ramping back up after coming back?

Now consider what that does to a job search.

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