Of course it will pass. The government will never willingly give up power and will only seek ways to expand it.
The self checkout tsa is the opposite.
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#12Of course it will pass. The government will never willingly give up power and will only seek ways to expand it.
> government will never willingly give up power
Governments regularly do this. One of the greatest losses for privacy advocates over the last generation is this brand of nihilism making the issue electorally useless.
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#13Mass surveillance is antithetical to liberty, but direct, concrete harm is hard to identify. The surveillance complex has been pretty good at using secrecy, and perhaps even good internal controls, to limit everyday impact. How can we find real harms to win this fight? Or how can we get people to care?
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#15you mean spying on American citizens without a warrant?
And spying on citizens not suspected of a crime.
There's a potential subversive in each of us! Think of the kids! How will we stop school shootings if we don't spy on the terrorists before they spy on us? How will we know your shoe is unbombed? Freedom ain't free, you know.
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#16Of course it will pass. The government will never willingly give up power and will only seek ways to expand it.
> government will never willingly give up power Governments regularly do this. One of the greatest losses for privacy advocates over the last generation is this brand of nihilism making the issue electorally useless.
> Governments regularly do this
s/regularly/rarely
It's a generalization, there's always occasional exceptions to the rule.
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#17Spoiler: no.
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#18"Today, corrupt politicians put on another dog and pony show while continuing business as usual. Is our democracy secretly a farce? Details at 11."
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
> government will never willingly give up power Governments regularly do this. One of the greatest losses for privacy advocates over the last generation is this brand of nihilism making the issue electorally useless.
> Governments regularly do this s/regularly/rarely It's a generalization, there's always occasional exceptions to the rule.
> It's a generalization, there's always occasional exception to the rule
The point is it’s not a rule. It’s a meme that results from misunderstanding the bureaucratic imperative and oversimplifying into a monolith the complexity of politics and power competition.
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#20Mass surveillance is antithetical to liberty, but direct, concrete harm is hard to identify. The surveillance complex has been pretty good at using secrecy, and perhaps even good internal controls, to limit everyday impact. How can we find real harms to win this fight? Or how can we get people to care?
Acceleration brrr