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Europe needs to escape providerism

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Re: Europe needs to escape providerism

#11
post #4

And yet Europeans have vastly higher life quality than Americans ... I wonder why that is ...

Yet 3x more Europeans immigrate to the US than Americans going the other direction. People vote with their feet and I feel like the EU vs US online discource is mainly based on vibes rather than facts.

Re: Europe needs to escape providerism

#13
The statements about providerism and europe not producing anything of value purely focusses on computer technology and not on any other type of technology. Take the agriculture sector; europe's not only produces tons of vegatables/fruits and meat, but it also has strong R&D programs such as seed enrichment, dna modification, etc. There are many other sectors out there

Re: Europe needs to escape providerism

#15
post #5

For some definitions of wealth, surely. By most quality of life metrics, the average (Western) European is doing as well or better than the average American.

Can you cite some specifics? I’ve travelled to quite a few places in Europe and coming from the American Midwest, we are beating much of Europe in most/all QoL metrics by a mile. Much larger and nicer homes, larger properties, mincer automobiles, more variety of all consumer goods, higher incomes, more wealth and social mobility to name a few and I live in “flyover” country.

Which QoL metrics?

Re: Europe needs to escape providerism

#16
post #4

And yet Europeans have vastly higher life quality than Americans ... I wonder why that is ...

Cars. Americans spend a ton of money on having cars and building car-centric infrastructure. Most European countries could not afford to do this.

And it's worth every penny. I like cars and single family homes.

Re: Europe needs to escape providerism

#17
Oh gosh, can we please not do national/regional bickering here? That's not curious conversation (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html).

As a first step in a better direction, I've changed the baity title to a less baity, or at least more obscure, phrase from the article itself.

Re: Europe needs to escape providerism

#18
post #4

And yet Europeans have vastly higher life quality than Americans ... I wonder why that is ...

This sort of snarky comment adds nothing to the discussion.

In many ways, European countries are coasting along on wealth exploitation resulting from centuries of colonialism. North America is similar but the US in particular is absolutely dominant at the modern knowledge economy. This is where Europe in general lags behind.

Europe’s glory days are behind it. The glory days of the US are ahead of it.

Europeans have a higher quality of life, for now. Wait until the bill for the welfare state comes due and we shall see how sustainable that model is without the ability to create wealth.

Re: Europe needs to escape providerism

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post #4

And yet Europeans have vastly higher life quality than Americans ... I wonder why that is ...

Cars. Americans spend a ton of money on having cars and building car-centric infrastructure. Most European countries could not afford to do this.

Why would anybody want to copy US car infrastructure? I want to ride my bicycle.

Re: Europe needs to escape providerism

#20
This applies for literally every country except the US and China.

It's not like any of the other G20 countries (not to mention the entire rest of the world) have anything close to "a US tech sector" or anything approaching the level of engineering/science/product/manufacturing capability of the US.

California is where the entire world population goes to when they wanna make stuff.

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