If you give people free web services they're going to use it for spam, porn, file sharing or crypto mining. If even their most basic tier only cost a few quid a year, it would probably stop spam usage by 99%
Microsoft Outlook Blocking All Email from Tutanota.com Domain as Spam
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Re: Microsoft Outlook Blocking All Email from Tutanota.com Domain as Spam
#12So what fraction of send mail do the actual end receivers consider spam? And why would there not be some reasonable threshold. Or should we entirely instead ban spam filtering?
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#13Maybe Tutanota.com has a lot of outlook users reporting your marketing emails as spam. I generally do this if the unsubscribe route is too painful, or even if it takes too long to load.
It is good practise. You should never use the unsubscribe function as it tells sender the account receives is actually in use and valid. Thus they will sell your email to even more spammers.
Re: Microsoft Outlook Blocking All Email from Tutanota.com Domain as Spam
#14Maybe Tutanota.com has a lot of outlook users reporting your marketing emails as spam. I generally do this if the unsubscribe route is too painful, or even if it takes too long to load.
Even if the unsubscribe link works I still report spam as spam. If it is unsolicited then it is spam, plain and simple.
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#15My private email server gets completly blocked on regular bases. They are blocking the whole ip-range of my provider. You get no response from them whatsoever. You have to fill out a form und wait a couple of days. You can however sign up for a 200$ whitelist... from a different company owned by guess who.
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Re: Microsoft Outlook Blocking All Email from Tutanota.com Domain as Spam
#16I have an outlook.com account, too and having a look at the Spam-folder is as important as looking at the Inbox. Too many important mails get missing with outlook
Re: Microsoft Outlook Blocking All Email from Tutanota.com Domain as Spam
#17This is just that last of many cases of MS Outlook acting in an intentional power abusive market distorting way. I do not know about tutanota and if they are a bad actor in the email space. But I remember them having done funny things like banning the complete German Hetzner IP range because Hetzner didn't want to give them customers information without an curt order (which I guess Hetzner isn't allowed to do either…
Tuta are a privacy focussed and pretty responsible mail service. They have quite strict sending limits to dissuade bulk mailers and keep the service free for those who need it.
Whatever the cause, I’d be surprised if bad mail is sent in enough volumes to be noticeable to MS
Re: Microsoft Outlook Blocking All Email from Tutanota.com Domain as Spam
#18Maybe Tutanota.com has a lot of outlook users reporting your marketing emails as spam. I generally do this if the unsubscribe route is too painful, or even if it takes too long to load.
It is good practise. You should never use the unsubscribe function as it tells sender the account receives is actually in use and valid. Thus they will sell your email to even more spammers.
Yeah no. Emails which include an unsubscribe link are legit enough to not do that. Actual spammers don't bother to include an unsubscribe link.
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#19Maybe Tutanota.com has a lot of outlook users reporting your marketing emails as spam. I generally do this if the unsubscribe route is too painful, or even if it takes too long to load.
> or even if it takes too long to load
Which is not ideal, and might explain why Gmail routinely puts perfectly legit correspondence in my spam folder - again and again.
I realize this might well be a problem stemming from email clients having but one option to flag emails: spam. Ideally one should have more options - as it is scamming, spoofing and innocuous unsolicited marketing (and slow loading messages it seems) are all put in the same basket.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is good practise. You should never use the unsubscribe function as it tells sender the account receives is actually in use and valid. Thus they will sell your email to even more spammers.
Yeah no. Emails which include an unsubscribe link are legit enough to not do that. Actual spammers don't bother to include an unsubscribe link.
Are you sure that 100% of companies have not sold unsubscribed users information?
As if there is even single counter-example you should just automatically mark it spam and then email providers should blacklist the domain.