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Re: IKamasutra: Apple Hates Brunettes

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Apple has consistently proven that they want the App Store to be squeaky Disney family clean. So the fact that some apps went through the cracks was pure luck.

But why? WHY? What harm could come from app like this? Please, assume that I'm 12 years old, and try to explain.

Here's an explanation I would offer to a 12-year old to explain Apple's decision, but please bear in mind that it doesn't mean I agree with it:

There are many people in the world who use technology, but are offended by even the slightest sexual material. They might not have reasons for it that you and I would agree with, but that's beside the point. The point is that they can get very loud and insistent and they might go on TV saying that "Apple distributes smut" and whatnot. Apple wants to avoid that kind of hassle. There are different ways to do that, but the easiest for Apple is to simply reject any content they think might cause them this kind of trouble.

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But why? WHY? What harm could come from app like this? Please, assume that I'm 12 years old, and try to explain.

Let me try: your parents are paying for your iPhone and they don't want you to have a Kama Sutra app :)

So, let me try to figure this out:

Kama Sutra - not ok.

Killing people app[1] - ok.

???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8gAdb2N7Po

Re: IKamasutra: Apple Hates Brunettes

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The trouble is that the guidelines aren't black and white. They are somewhat grey. This means that 2 reviews will rarely result in the same action. I would argue the Kama Sutra is both historical and educational and not sexually explicit at all. Perhaps a celebration of human bodies even, I don't know. It seems though that Apple particularly feel that its customers require a squeaky clean filter to assess everything…

I've always thought the keyword is "explicit" for which the most relevant definition is probably: "described or shown in realistic detail"

I had the iKarmasutra app and it was great; slightly coy and fun, but detailed enough to understand how each position worked. The images were tastefully drawn with the same emphasis. But the detail couldn't be described as "realistic"

I don't think you even need to argue the historical/educational angle.

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Are we all going nuts nowadays? Really, to remove a product from your store (which also happens to be a monopolistic sales channel) after it was there for years and recieved several updates since without any dialog with the producer of the product is bad style, really bad style.

Especially if the producer is willing to change the product to fit your requirements.

Some time ago almost everyone agreed that Nokia failed also due to a lack of developers for Simbia, do you really think treating developers with a proven track record like that will do you any good?

I really hope that this issue is solved to the satisfaction of every party involved and the app will be back soon.

Ah, and finally, if this was due to the "sexual content" the only thing left to say is "brave new world". And that from a company that help to battle SOPA...

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Sergey said that Apple and Facebook are a threat to freedom on the web, but I submit that commercial 'app stores' like Google Play and Apple's AppStore are the real threat. They have all the control and solely get to decide what is acceptable or not (while reserving the right to change their mind later). Google Play won't even let you rent a video from the store if it detects your phone has been rooted. This sucks. We've gained all this freedom and control with free software and the web, etc, and now we're going to give it all away to these stupid commercial app stores.

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Why doesn't the title mention Google also? Shouldn't it be "IKamsutra: Apple and Google hate Brunettes". Do people get more clicks on this site when the attack one company and not another? Yeah, I am a fanboy, but still...

People have to remember that the App Store has nothing to do with "Freedom of Speech". Every retail outlet decides what products they wish to sell. They all have buyers that decide which products will compliment or negatively impact their reputation.

I do believe Apple owes the makers of IKamasutra an explanation, even if it is short, like: "Company A provided us sufficient information to warrant removal of your software", or "Updates to your software made it too explicit and violates the App Store guidelines". It guess its just too costly to do this or something. This does suck for someone that has had something out there for a long time and now its gone. Perhaps it wasn't another company, and the reviewer just thought "Not another one" and that was it.

I haven't searched, but I wonder how many of these apps are in there? Even the App Store (TM) guidelines mentions Kama Sutra apps:

"Apps that duplicate apps already in the App Store may be rejected, particularly if there are many of them, such as fart, burp, flashlight, and Kama Sutra apps."

The other funny thing is that the next statements also says:

"If your app is rejected, we have a Review Board that you can appeal to. If you run to the press and trash us, it never helps."

So, I suppose you screw yourself by blogging and telling everyone. Biting that hand that feeds isn't always a good thing.

But, there is also this:

'Apps containing pornographic material, defined by Webster's Dictionary as "explicit descriptions or displays of sexual organs or activities intended to stimulate erotic rather than aesthetic or emotional feelings", will be rejected'

So, perhaps getting closer to actual people and not the original crude wood carvings is an issue. I'm surprised these app ever made it in with that clause. The Kama Sutra fits this.

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Sergey said that Apple and Facebook are a threat to freedom on the web, but I submit that commercial 'app stores' like Google Play and Apple's AppStore are the real threat. They have all the control and solely get to decide what is acceptable or not (while reserving the right to change their mind later). Google Play won't even let you rent a video from the store if it detects your phone has been rooted. This sucks. W…

For Apple this is a problem since the app store is the only source of software for non-jailbroken iphones.

Regarding Android, we can always use another marketplace, but then the problem would be security and good quality apps. And so we would again be at square one. Does anybody have another idea?

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Sergey said that Apple and Facebook are a threat to freedom on the web, but I submit that commercial 'app stores' like Google Play and Apple's AppStore are the real threat. They have all the control and solely get to decide what is acceptable or not (while reserving the right to change their mind later). Google Play won't even let you rent a video from the store if it detects your phone has been rooted. This sucks. W…

I disagree regarding Google Play.

Appstore is a threat because if you want software on your Apple phone then it is the only legal method.

But with Android you can install software from any app store you like, or directly. Google provide an app store as a service, but it's only one of many.

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The app looks extremely well made, really a shame it has been pulled out of the stores.

It IS well made. My wife and I got it about a year ago. It's password-protected and very tastefully drawn. About 25% of the positions are virtually impossible but pretty hilarious. :)

I'd have had no issue with Apple if they had simply not allowed it on day 1. But to allow it to be hugely successful for such a long period of time (as in: within the top 50 or so overall for months on end) only to pull it without reason is horrifying to me as an app developer.

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