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Should children clean their own schools? Japan thinks so

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Re: Should children clean their own schools? Japan thinks so

#11
Just a rant.

I hated this as a Japanese kid. Why the hell should I clean up the mess created by my classmates? Because kids are supposed to obey their elders. This is the continual tradition to nurture soldiers (literally) from before the war, and even the traumatic defeat hasn't changed that. Embodiment of submissiveness...

Re: Should children clean their own schools? Japan thinks so

#13
Same thing had always been the case in USSR. Though there were a GREAT many things wrong with USSR in general and USSR schools in particular, this one is just common sense. Any well adjusted adult should learn a habit of cleaning up his or her own mess.

Re: Should children clean their own schools? Japan thinks so

#14
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This attitude of shared responsibility, taught from childhood, help to explain the difference between the cleanliness of subways and subway platforms in Japan, and in the US.

Yes and no. You have dirtyness in Japan everywhere too, but they just systematically clean a lot and very often. Public toilets can be cleaned like 10 times a day. This frequency is unseen in the US

Re: Should children clean their own schools? Japan thinks so

#15
Japanese pop-psychology is funny. Japanese martial arts are all about "learning respect" and children cleaning up their messes is about learning to "respect your surroundings". But what's really happening here is people are gaining agency. In the US, most people seem to believe that they have no control over their environment, so it's fine to litter, for instance, because it's "someone else's job" to clean it up. They don't believe that they have the power to make a difference, even if they tried. It's not until you see that picking up your own trash... makes the trash go away... that people really get it.

EDIT: Also worth mentioning, an effect you see in the US and European countries is a sense that cleaning up your own messes is low-class, and if you clean up after yourself you're diminishing your own worth. Normalizing tidying up helps break this assumption.

Re: Should children clean their own schools? Japan thinks so

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Just a rant. I hated this as a Japanese kid. Why the hell should I clean up the mess created by my classmates? Because kids are supposed to obey their elders. This is the continual tradition to nurture soldiers (literally) from before the war, and even the traumatic defeat hasn't changed that. Embodiment of submissiveness...

I didn't hate this as a Soviet kid, despite hating a great many other things as a Soviet kid. The idea has never been that another kid spit on the floor and I should clean up his spit, that would have been handled differently. More like that it's our place and in the course of normal use it gets messy, so we should all also participate in cleaning it up. So we all got wet cloth and wiped our assigned floor squares about once a month.

Re: Should children clean their own schools? Japan thinks so

#17

Just a rant. I hated this as a Japanese kid. Why the hell should I clean up the mess created by my classmates? Because kids are supposed to obey their elders. This is the continual tradition to nurture soldiers (literally) from before the war, and even the traumatic defeat hasn't changed that. Embodiment of submissiveness...

> Why the hell should I clean up the mess created by my classmates?

you would be learning to apply peer pressure on those who creates a mess to not do so, making clean up easier.

Re: Should children clean their own schools? Japan thinks so

#18
This is why Japan can have nice things.

Seriously, as a society we should have it ingrained in us from a young age to take personal responsibility for our space, and not pawn it off on someone else. It's depressing that we have so many people trashing our shared spaces and feeling absolutely no shame about it.

This is also why I feel like everyone should work in some kind of service job for a year or two. It makes you a better member of society when you can see the world from a variety of perspectives, from experience. It's the biggest red flag for me when a person treats service staff poorly.

Re: Should children clean their own schools? Japan thinks so

#19
My high school (a private American boarding “prep school”) required that students have small unpaid jobs around campus, the most common of which was nightly classroom cleaning. You’d come by your assigned classroom in the evening and do a light vacuuming, wipe down the boards, straighten the desks, empty the wastebin etc.

At the time I hated having to do it, but I’ve come to really appreciate its purpose. It meant that if you made a mess in a classroom, you very likely knew the person who’d be cleaning it up, and in a place where a good number of the students would have run the risk of never touching a vacuum cleaner in their entire lives, it provided some degree of grounding in service to the community and a democratizing effect–everyone participated, not just the students who needed to, ala college Work-Study programs.

Re: Should children clean their own schools? Japan thinks so

#20
I live in the US and I doubt the student cleaning tradition ever gets imported…but it reminds me…

I’ve always wondered why we don’t ask sufficiently old children to make their own lunch at school. Surely a sixth grader is capable of making their own lunch and it’s a huge opportunity to learn about nutrition and basic kitchen skills.

I obviously don’t think that a 12-year-old child should be deep-frying french fries but there’s a lot we could find for them to do.

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