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Child abduction case: Tom and Jerry cartoons helped police identify suspects

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Re: Child abduction case: Tom and Jerry cartoons helped police identify suspects

#11

What surprised me the most was 26,000 people watched Tom and Jerry between 7:30pm and 6:30am on some website. That’s a lot more than I would have expected.

Tom and Jerry is very popular in India. Parents like it because there's no (less) subversive NSFW content (e.g. Bikini Bottom in Spongebob).

Don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger.

Re: Child abduction case: Tom and Jerry cartoons helped police identify suspects

#12
The video surveillance caught the bad guys but a dragnet gets a pat on the back for 26,000 violations of privacy.

This is one good story however it is presented with a narrative that seeds unquestionable support for warrantless surveillance.

702 is on the horizon, what will we choose? Privacy or security. There is no such thing as both. In this well painted narrative the answer is simple. Security. What about other narratives though?

Re: Child abduction case: Tom and Jerry cartoons helped police identify suspects

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I am trying to understand how it is possible to filter all IP activity for such a (broad) search term. As opposed to say superbowl livestream. They only looked at requests sent to YouTube? Doesn't YouTube use https by default? Did they do a simple YouTube search for 'Tom and Jerry' note down the full URLs for first two pages of search results... and look for those in the ISP logs? DNS lookups only show "www.youtube.c…

India's encryption laws require service providers to allow law enforcement to intercept, monitor and trace encrypted traffic. Encryption within India is limited by law to weak forms. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/07/indias-draconian-rules...

Is this actually implemented? Do all browsers in india use weakened TLS or something?

Re: Child abduction case: Tom and Jerry cartoons helped police identify suspects

#15

I just assume stories like this are parallel construction. edit: Indeed, they even admit this is not what they used to track them down.

It was probably a pretty egregious privacy violation like infected all 130 with a worm and read all their text messages

Re: Child abduction case: Tom and Jerry cartoons helped police identify suspects

#16

What surprised me the most was 26,000 people watched Tom and Jerry between 7:30pm and 6:30am on some website. That’s a lot more than I would have expected.

Youtube cartoons are the staple video content to slap onto a mobile or a tv to get toddlers to eat. Here in India, its scary how much parent neglect to engage with children and just put a cartoon and stuff foid into their mouth, while they themselves are busy on a call or fiddling with their phones.

Almost every toddler I have seen has an old broken phone as their own video player.

Re: Child abduction case: Tom and Jerry cartoons helped police identify suspects

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

India's encryption laws require service providers to allow law enforcement to intercept, monitor and trace encrypted traffic. Encryption within India is limited by law to weak forms. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/07/indias-draconian-rules...

Is this actually implemented? Do all browsers in india use weakened TLS or something?

Likely a governmental man-in-the-middle attack.

Re: Child abduction case: Tom and Jerry cartoons helped police identify suspects

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What surprised me the most was 26,000 people watched Tom and Jerry between 7:30pm and 6:30am on some website. That’s a lot more than I would have expected.

I am guessing there must be some multiplier .. like hits to a CDN in parallel / pre-fetch a few seconds of video for each of the 10-20 videos on a search page.

India has a billion and a half people in it. In proportional American numbers, less than five thousand people watching the cartoon.

Re: Child abduction case: Tom and Jerry cartoons helped police identify suspects

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Another aspect to the same kidnapping drama -- the perpetrator was a YouTuber and her parents, apparently looking for ways to make up for losing income streams due to demonetized YouTube channel ...

https://indianexpress.com/article/india/kerala/kerala-kidnap...

Re: Child abduction case: Tom and Jerry cartoons helped police identify suspects

#20
Damn, they asked Google to turn over IP addresses visiting specific URLs, Google refused, then they collected the data “from the Internet gateway” anyway? So TLS is just broken in India, and the “Internet gateway”, whichever hop that refers to, sees everything in clear text?
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