What's the endgame of this "AI models are trained on copyrighted data" stuff? I don't see how LLMs can work going forward if every copyright owner needs to be paid or asked for permission. Do they just want LLM development to stop?
Why should LLM development proceed if the only way it can is by violating copyright?
How Googlers cracked OpenAI's ChatGPT with a single word
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#12What's the endgame of this "AI models are trained on copyrighted data" stuff? I don't see how LLMs can work going forward if every copyright owner needs to be paid or asked for permission. Do they just want LLM development to stop?
If LLM development can't continue without violating copyright then that makes it clear that the purpose of LLM development is violation of copyright. Which is something we all already knew but it's nice to have it spelled out in no uncertain terms.
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#13What's the endgame of this "AI models are trained on copyrighted data" stuff? I don't see how LLMs can work going forward if every copyright owner needs to be paid or asked for permission. Do they just want LLM development to stop?
Why should LLM development proceed if the only way it can is by violating copyright?
Re: How Googlers cracked OpenAI's ChatGPT with a single word
#14What's the endgame of this "AI models are trained on copyrighted data" stuff? I don't see how LLMs can work going forward if every copyright owner needs to be paid or asked for permission. Do they just want LLM development to stop?
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#15What's the endgame of this "AI models are trained on copyrighted data" stuff? I don't see how LLMs can work going forward if every copyright owner needs to be paid or asked for permission. Do they just want LLM development to stop?
Why should LLM development proceed if the only way it can is by violating copyright?
American law for instance has limits on the duration of copyright before something becomes public domain, explicit exemptions for "fair use" for education, journalistic reporting, commentary, etc.
If "copyright" is a problem in the way of training AI models, then we should all collectively vote for politicians who fix that problem by updating the laws to make the training explicitly allowed. Problem solved.
(Alternatively, if you're evil, vote for politicians who will let the billionaires strengthen their domination and subjugation of the other 99.9999% of humans by making copyright laws even more in favor of TimeWarner-Disney-Miramax-FoxNews-Lockheed-GE or whatever the current conglomerate is).
Re: How Googlers cracked OpenAI's ChatGPT with a single word
#16Scalable extraction of training data from (production) language models - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38496715 - Dec 2023 (12 comments)
Extracting training data from ChatGPT - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38458683 - Nov 2023 (126 comments)
Re: How Googlers cracked OpenAI's ChatGPT with a single word
#17What's the endgame of this "AI models are trained on copyrighted data" stuff? I don't see how LLMs can work going forward if every copyright owner needs to be paid or asked for permission. Do they just want LLM development to stop?
Simple, LLM development leadership shifts to open-source models and/or organizations/countries that are willing to bend or ignore copyright law. Silicon Valley isn't the world, neither is the United States.
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#18What's the endgame of this "AI models are trained on copyrighted data" stuff? I don't see how LLMs can work going forward if every copyright owner needs to be paid or asked for permission. Do they just want LLM development to stop?
Why should LLM development proceed if the only way it can is by violating copyright?
Re: How Googlers cracked OpenAI's ChatGPT with a single word
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why should LLM development proceed if the only way it can is by violating copyright?
"Violating copyright" is a completely imaginary problem. We have a somewhat arbitrary set of laws, rules, guidelines and social norms about using existing ideas. American law for instance has limits on the duration of copyright before something becomes public domain, explicit exemptions for "fair use" for education, journalistic reporting, commentary, etc. If "copyright" is a problem in the way of training AI models,…
If you can just ask the LLM to give you the contents of my book you are less likely to buy it, and if you can just ask the image generator to generate an image in my unique style for free you won't want to buy my artwork.
I think it makes perfect sense that a model needs a specific license to train on my work, especially if the model is run by a massive corporation making a profit off it, and the model after downloading a copy of my work and "training" can reproduce it verbatim on request.
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#20OpenAI argue that they can use copyrighted content so repeating that isn't going to change anything. The only issue would be if they had used stolen/confidential data to train on, and it was discovered that way, but it also seems unlikely anyone could easily detect that given that there'd be nothing to intersect it with, unlike in this paper.
The blog post seems to slide around quite a bit, roving from "it's not surprising to us that small amounts of random text is memorized" straight to "it's unsafe and surprising and nobody knew". The nobody knew idea, as Jimmc414 has nicely proven in this thread, is false alarm because their technique actually was detected and the paper authors just didn't know that it had been. And "it's unsafe" doesn't make any sense in this context. Repeating random bits of memorized text surrounded by huge amounts of original text isn't a safety problem. Nor is it an "exploit" that needs to be "patched". OpenAI could ignore this problem and nobody would care except AI alignment researchers.
The culture of alarmism in AI research is vaguely reminiscent of the early Victorians who argued that riding trains might be dangerous, because at such high speeds the air could be sucked out of the carriages.