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Scalable extraction of training data from (production) language models

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Re: Scalable extraction of training data from (production) language models

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One can fine tune a smaller parameter model like GPT-NeoX on a home GPU pretty readily, and it's absolutely capable of doing what you specified. Teach it with a bunch of example sentences that have parts of speech like verb and noun following a simple grammar, and you will see it generate sentences afterward that combine the parts of speech grammatically in novel ways, using the same grammatical structures but formin…

No I mean creating 50-grams that appear in the dataset created by the paper linked by OP, but not present in the actual dataset the model was trained on. Of course, the model would be able to output 50-grams that were not present in either.

As I understand you, what you state is exactly what I meant. If you train with a bunch of text containing substrings of those 50-grams, but not the full 50-grams themselves [or, expose it to the same vocabulary used in the same parts of speech as in the full 50], the model will pretty readily produce the full 50-grams despite never having seen them in their entirety. Try it out, it's pretty easy to do on a modern GPU and can be done in less than an hour.

Re: Scalable extraction of training data from (production) language models

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Using memorization is something that can be a feature in some cases, especially in reducing hallucinations. Perhaps instead of embedding retrieval you’d condition a model to only repeat memorized relevant passages, something that can be trained end to end and beneficial for RAG

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A friend sent me the image from page 9. The email signature. It is mine, from when I ran my company. Mid 2010s.

I'm not much worried about this specific example of information exfiltration, though I have significant concerns over how one may debug something like this for applications working with potentially more sensitive data than email signatures. Put another way, I think we are well within the infancy of this technology, and there is far more work needed before we have actually useful applications that have a concept of information security relative to their training data sets.

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A friend sent me the image from page 9. The email signature. It is mine, from when I ran my company. Mid 2010s. I'm not much worried about this specific example of information exfiltration, though I have significant concerns over how one may debug something like this for applications working with potentially more sensitive data than email signatures. Put another way, I think we are well within the infancy of this tec…

That's an unexpected surprise. Do you have any theories? Presumably someone posted one of your e-mails somewhere on the internet?

If you Google parts of the old signature, do you get any results?

Re: Scalable extraction of training data from (production) language models

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An LLM remembers like a human. Mostly concepts, but some things it remembers verbatim. Why is it a problem if a LLM tells you what it knows? Are LLMs trained on secret data?

> Are LLMs trained on secret data? Probably. And on copyrighted data probably as well.

there's a lot of "copyrighted data" on wikipedia as well, for example from another HN post, lyrics from songs about truck crashes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_car_crash_songs

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