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They're Made Out of Meat (1991)

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Re: They're Made Out of Meat (1991)

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This feels very shallow and wrong. Surely an super intelligent alien species that studied “meat” would know the depth of the organization starting with the organic molecules and extending to the cell and then to the neurons and neural networks and then the brain. The surprising thing to them would not be that we are made of meat but that we eat meat. How could we take such intricately organized matter and just burn i…

You think an advanced species would be surprised that we're made of what we consume? Quite a funny take, because there's literally no other option.

The reason a power plant, or factory, or any machine at all doesn't "eat" what it's made of is because human engineers are the digestion enzymes and protein factories. We digest raw materials (amino acids) into parts (proteins) based on plans and schematics (DNA), and then we put them into the machines.

This is what your body does by itself. It's a factory that keeps building and rebuilding itself. That's in fact the only viable option for a resilient system. Think what's better, having kidneys, or needing dialysis? Self-sufficiency is always better for resilience and flexibility. Which... again, any intelligent species would know.

The purpose of this story is to jolt us out of the status quo and see things from another perspective. A species having advanced culture doesn't mean they have no biases and prejudices based on their preconceived notions.

We also fancy ourselves intelligent, but we have zero regard for "lower" lifeforms. In fact, we also exhibit odd and illogical cultural trends such as:

    1. If someone abuses a pet dog or cat, we may put them in jail.

    2. At the same time we abuse, kill and eat farm animals on a vast scale. Pigs are no less intelligent that a dog or a cat.

    3. Yet if someone has a pet pig, we may call law enforcement on them for animal abuse, even if they take good care of their pig.
Those three don't belong together in any way. Yet here we are.

Re: They're Made Out of Meat (1991)

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This feels very shallow and wrong. Surely an super intelligent alien species that studied “meat” would know the depth of the organization starting with the organic molecules and extending to the cell and then to the neurons and neural networks and then the brain. The surprising thing to them would not be that we are made of meat but that we eat meat. How could we take such intricately organized matter and just burn i…

“This science fiction would never happen in real life!!” is my favorite kind of comment.

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I love this video adaptation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tScAyNaRdQ

The director uploaded a higher-quality version a few years ago! https://youtu.be/T6JFTmQCFHg?si=2j3-ctWbT7IXaZKj

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be much higher quality, it's a bit more contrasty and less washed-out, but that's it.

Re: They're Made Out of Meat (1991)

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Andy Weir's The Egg is another excellent short story:

[1] http://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html

If you're looking for more short stories, I highly recommend the following:

• Ted Chiang's Exhalation

• Ted Chiang's Story of Your Life and Others

• Ken Liu's Paper Menagerie

• Borges's Ficciones

• Smullyan's What is the Name of This Book?

• Smullyan's Lady or the Tiger?

• Douglas Adams's God's Debris

Remember to support local booksellers when possible :)

[2] https://bookshop.org

Re: They're Made Out of Meat (1991)

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This feels very shallow and wrong. Surely an super intelligent alien species that studied “meat” would know the depth of the organization starting with the organic molecules and extending to the cell and then to the neurons and neural networks and then the brain. The surprising thing to them would not be that we are made of meat but that we eat meat. How could we take such intricately organized matter and just burn i…

Noticed something that all plants have in common?

How about an EV car which is powered exclusively by solar panels, without any battery, noticed what it has in common with plants?

Re: They're Made Out of Meat (1991)

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post #7

This feels very shallow and wrong. Surely an super intelligent alien species that studied “meat” would know the depth of the organization starting with the organic molecules and extending to the cell and then to the neurons and neural networks and then the brain. The surprising thing to them would not be that we are made of meat but that we eat meat. How could we take such intricately organized matter and just burn i…

> This feels very shallow and wrong. What would you expect from meat.

It’s even typing its complaint in digitally encoded binary. Even when using our codes it’s still thinking with its meat fingers. How beastly.

Re: They're Made Out of Meat (1991)

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This feels very shallow and wrong. Surely an super intelligent alien species that studied “meat” would know the depth of the organization starting with the organic molecules and extending to the cell and then to the neurons and neural networks and then the brain. The surprising thing to them would not be that we are made of meat but that we eat meat. How could we take such intricately organized matter and just burn i…

We can assume from the descriptions that while they've come into contact with beings with meat or meat-like structures as part of them, they've never encountered intelligent beings made of meat. And so they necessarily can't know all that much about the possible states of meat. So your "surely" is canonically wrong.

You can argue they ought to have known about that, but that is based on assuming life like ours is common, and the point of the story is that this is an assumption we're making from a sample of one planet. In the in-story universe it is also canonically doubtful that life like ours in common, given that they clearly know of many other species, and can explore at FTL speeds, and yet still haven't run into one like ours.

To me it feels shallow to criticise a story based on ignoring premises of the universe the story is set in. Criticise the premises, by all means, and argue it doesn't fit our universe. That's fine. That gets you to the point of the story: To get you thinking about why we should assume life like ours is common.

Re: They're Made Out of Meat (1991)

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This feels very shallow and wrong. Surely an super intelligent alien species that studied “meat” would know the depth of the organization starting with the organic molecules and extending to the cell and then to the neurons and neural networks and then the brain. The surprising thing to them would not be that we are made of meat but that we eat meat. How could we take such intricately organized matter and just burn i…

Meat doesn’t understand satire.

Re: They're Made Out of Meat (1991)

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This feels very shallow and wrong. Surely an super intelligent alien species that studied “meat” would know the depth of the organization starting with the organic molecules and extending to the cell and then to the neurons and neural networks and then the brain. The surprising thing to them would not be that we are made of meat but that we eat meat. How could we take such intricately organized matter and just burn i…

> They would wonder why we didn’t just use the abundant sunlight and elements to power ourselves

we do! all food we eat got its energy from the sun another plant/animal that did.

* sans any food that was consumed from species that lived near hydrothermal vents.

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