Irving on Helen, Ilya, and Sam • Hacker News Board

Re: Irving on Helen, Ilya, and Sam

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Post by guiambros » Tue, Nov 21, 2023, 5:39 AM UTC

user_named wrote: post #3

I can't read this because I'm not log in to X. How can I access this?

TLDR: someone who worked at OpenAI relates their firsthand experiences with Sam (not always positive; some lies and deceptive behavior), while strongly vouching for Helen's and Ilya's integrity and character.

My take: this is a counterpoint to a point that is not very relevant. Yes, the ad hominen attacks are despicable, but it should be a debate of their actions, not people's values and character. It's undeniable that the 4 board members didn't demonstrate competence to handle this situation, and very likely didn't fulfill their duty towards the interests of OpenAI's mission (neither the for-profit or the non-profit one). They don't have anyone but themselves to blame for this s*show.

Re: Irving on Helen, Ilya, and Sam

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Post by user_named » Tue, Nov 21, 2023, 5:47 AM UTC

corethree wrote: post #10

Basically Sam is dishonest and not a likeable person. This is a datapoint. Anybody else who knows Sam well want to Chime in? All this hero worship is coming from people who don't know Sam and don't know why he's fired.

So at the end of the day at the highest levels it's still just about they were nice/mean to me.

Re: Irving on Helen, Ilya, and Sam

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Post by renewiltord » Tue, Nov 21, 2023, 5:48 AM UTC

Gotta be honest. Anyone described as "thoughtful" has nothing to recommend them. It's like if you reviewed a restaurant as "bringing out all dishes correctly in order".

Re: Irving on Helen, Ilya, and Sam

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Post by user_named » Tue, Nov 21, 2023, 5:49 AM UTC

renewiltord wrote: post #13

Gotta be honest. Anyone described as "thoughtful" has nothing to recommend them. It's like if you reviewed a restaurant as "bringing out all dishes correctly in order".

It's also sv corporate boilerplate speak used to say "just blindly trust this person"

Re: Irving on Helen, Ilya, and Sam

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Post by ilikehurdles » Tue, Nov 21, 2023, 5:49 AM UTC

corethree wrote: post #10

Basically Sam is dishonest and not a likeable person. This is a datapoint. Anybody else who knows Sam well want to Chime in? All this hero worship is coming from people who don't know Sam and don't know why he's fired.

97% of OpenAI's employees? You can probably find dozens if not hundreds of active users on this site you are using, who have at some point crossed paths with Sam, given his involvement in building YC. Haven't there already been data points relating their positive views of Altman?

It is a datapoint. It's not the only datapoint.

Re: Irving on Helen, Ilya, and Sam

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Post by ilikehurdles » Tue, Nov 21, 2023, 5:51 AM UTC

user_named wrote: post #14

renewiltord wrote: post #13

Gotta be honest. Anyone described as "thoughtful" has nothing to recommend them. It's like if you reviewed a restaurant as "bringing out all dishes correctly in order".

It's also sv corporate boilerplate speak used to say "just blindly trust this person"

When it comes to personnel reviews this all smells of "didn't know any of these people all that well," given the lack of detail.

Re: Irving on Helen, Ilya, and Sam

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Post by evulhotdog » Tue, Nov 21, 2023, 5:52 AM UTC

VMtest wrote: post #9

https://nitter.net/geoffreyirving/status/1726754270224023971

Unrelated to the actual topic at hand, it’s mind blowing how much better nitter is in usability, speed, and user experience.

Re: Irving on Helen, Ilya, and Sam

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Post by corethree » Tue, Nov 21, 2023, 5:56 AM UTC

user_named wrote: post #12

corethree wrote: post #10

Basically Sam is dishonest and not a likeable person. This is a datapoint. Anybody else who knows Sam well want to Chime in? All this hero worship is coming from people who don't know Sam and don't know why he's fired.

So at the end of the day at the highest levels it's still just about they were nice/mean to me.

That's really good data. Better than all the data from people who never met him or don't even know what's going on. I still can't answer the question why was he fired, but we have 400 pages of speculation on HN.

This twitter post is literally better information then anything I've seen for the past weekend.

Re: Irving on Helen, Ilya, and Sam

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Post by corethree » Tue, Nov 21, 2023, 6:00 AM UTC

ilikehurdles wrote: post #15

corethree wrote: post #10

Basically Sam is dishonest and not a likeable person. This is a datapoint. Anybody else who knows Sam well want to Chime in? All this hero worship is coming from people who don't know Sam and don't know why he's fired.

97% of OpenAI's employees? You can probably find dozens if not hundreds of active users on this site you are using, who have at some point crossed paths with Sam, given his involvement in building YC. Haven't there already been data points relating their positive views of Altman? It is a datapoint. It's not the only datapoint.

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Re: Irving on Helen, Ilya, and Sam

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Nov 21, 2023, 6:07 AM UTC

corethree wrote: post #18

user_named wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So at the end of the day at the highest levels it's still just about they were nice/mean to me.

That's really good data. Better than all the data from people who never met him or don't even know what's going on. I still can't answer the question why was he fired, but we have 400 pages of speculation on HN. This twitter post is literally better information then anything I've seen for the past weekend.

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