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Re: Meta disbanded its Responsible AI team

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Safety for AI is like making safe bullets or safe swords or safe shotguns. The reason why there's so much emphasis on this is liability. That's it. Otherwise there's really no point. It's the psychological aspect of blame that influences the liability. If I wanted to make a dirty bomb it's harder to blame google for it if I found the results through google, easier to blame AI for it if I found the results from an LLM…

It's more like making safe nukes. One person can do a lot more damage with AI than they can with a gun.

First off that's theoretical. No damage of that scale has been done by an LLM yet. Second off nobody really believes this. That's why there's no age limit for LLM usage and there is for gun usage. Would you let your 10 year old kid play with a hand gun or chatGPT? Let's be real.

Re: Meta disbanded its Responsible AI team

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post #8

Safety for AI is like making safe bullets or safe swords or safe shotguns. The reason why there's so much emphasis on this is liability. That's it. Otherwise there's really no point. It's the psychological aspect of blame that influences the liability. If I wanted to make a dirty bomb it's harder to blame google for it if I found the results through google, easier to blame AI for it if I found the results from an LLM…

It's more like making safe nukes. One person can do a lot more damage with AI than they can with a gun.

I'm not sure if it will actually be like that. In just a few years, AI will be so widespread we'll just assume anything not from a source we trust is fake.

Re: Meta disbanded its Responsible AI team

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I honestly believe the best to make AI responsibly is to make it open source. That way no single entity has total control over it, and researchers can study them to better understand how they can be used nefariously as well as in a good way—doing that allows us to build defenses to minimize the risks, and reap the benefits. Meta is already doing that, but other companies and organizations should do that as well.

Getting the results is nice but that's "shareware" not "free software" (or, for a more modern example, that is like companies submitting firmware binary blobs into mainline Linux).

Free software means you have to be able to build the final binary from source. Having 10 TB of text is no problem, but having a data center of GPUs is. Until the training cost comes down there is no way to make it free software.

Re: Meta disbanded its Responsible AI team

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I honestly believe the best to make AI responsibly is to make it open source. That way no single entity has total control over it, and researchers can study them to better understand how they can be used nefariously as well as in a good way—doing that allows us to build defenses to minimize the risks, and reap the benefits. Meta is already doing that, but other companies and organizations should do that as well.

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Re: Meta disbanded its Responsible AI team

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I honestly believe the best to make AI responsibly is to make it open source. That way no single entity has total control over it, and researchers can study them to better understand how they can be used nefariously as well as in a good way—doing that allows us to build defenses to minimize the risks, and reap the benefits. Meta is already doing that, but other companies and organizations should do that as well.

Great, Russia and China get the ability to use it or adapt it for any reason they want without any oversight.

Re: Meta disbanded its Responsible AI team

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I honestly believe the best to make AI responsibly is to make it open source. That way no single entity has total control over it, and researchers can study them to better understand how they can be used nefariously as well as in a good way—doing that allows us to build defenses to minimize the risks, and reap the benefits. Meta is already doing that, but other companies and organizations should do that as well.

That's not necessarily true.

It's entirely conceivable that even if AGI (or something comparably significant in terms of how impactful it would be to changing society or nation states) was achievable in our lifetime, it might be that:

1) Achieving it requires a critical mass of research talent in one place that perhaps currently exists at fewer than 5 companies - anecdotally only Google, Meta, and OpenAI. And a comparable number of world governments (At least in the US the best researchers in this field are at these companies, not in academia or government. China may be different.)

This makes it sound like a "security by obscurity" situation, and on a long enough timeline it may be. Without World War 2, without the Manhattan Project, and without the looming Cold War how long would it have taken for Humanity to construct a nuclear bomb? An extra 10 years? 20? 50? Hard to know. Regardless, there is a possibility that for things like AI, with extra time comes the ability to better understand and build those defenses before they're needed.

2) It might also require an amount of computing capacity that only a dozen companies/governments have.

If you open source all the work you remove the guard rails for the growth or what people focus investments on. It also means that hostile nations like Iran or North Korea who may not have the research talent but could acquire the raw compute could utilize it for unknown goals.

Not to mention that what nefarious parties on the internet would use it for. We only know about deep fake porn and generated vocal audio of family members for extortion. Things can get much much worse.

Re: Meta disbanded its Responsible AI team

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I honestly believe the best to make AI responsibly is to make it open source. That way no single entity has total control over it, and researchers can study them to better understand how they can be used nefariously as well as in a good way—doing that allows us to build defenses to minimize the risks, and reap the benefits. Meta is already doing that, but other companies and organizations should do that as well.

That's not necessarily true. It's entirely conceivable that even if AGI (or something comparably significant in terms of how impactful it would be to changing society or nation states) was achievable in our lifetime, it might be that: 1) Achieving it requires a critical mass of research talent in one place that perhaps currently exists at fewer than 5 companies - anecdotally only Google, Meta, and OpenAI. And a compa…

> there is a possibility that for things like AI, with extra time comes the ability to better understand and build those defenses before they're needed.

Or not, and damaging wrongheaded ideas will become a self-reinforcing (because safety! humanity is at stake!) orthodoxy, leaving us completely butt-naked before actual risks once somebody makes a sudden clandestine breakthrough.

https://bounded-regret.ghost.io/ai-pause-will-likely-backfir...

> We don’t need to speculate about what would happen to AI alignment research during a pause—we can look at the historical record. Before the launch of GPT-3 in 2020, the alignment community had nothing even remotely like a general intelligence to empirically study, and spent its time doing theoretical research, engaging in philosophical arguments on LessWrong, and occasionally performing toy experiments in reinforcement learning.

> The Machine Intelligence Research Institute (MIRI), which was at the forefront of theoretical AI safety research during this period, has since admitted that its efforts have utterly failed. Other agendas, such as “assistance games”, are still being actively pursued but have not been significantly integrated into modern deep learning systems— see Rohin Shah’s review here, as well as Alex Turner’s comments here. Finally, Nick Bostrom’s argument in Superintelligence, that value specification is the fundamental challenge to safety, seems dubious in light of LLM's ability to perform commonsense reasoning.[2]

> At best, these theory-first efforts did very little to improve our understanding of how to align powerful AI. And they may have been net negative, insofar as they propagated a variety of actively misleading ways of thinking both among alignment researchers and the broader public. Some examples include the now-debunked analogy from evolution, the false distinction between “inner” and “outer” alignment, and the idea that AIs will be rigid utility maximizing consequentialists (here, here, and here).

> During an AI pause, I expect alignment research would enter another “winter” in which progress stalls, and plausible-sounding-but-false speculations become entrenched as orthodoxy without empirical evidence to falsify them. While some good work would of course get done, it’s not clear that the field would be better off as a whole. And even if a pause would be net positive for alignment research, it would likely be net negative for humanity’s future all things considered, due to the pause’s various unintended consequences. We’ll look at that in detail in the final section of the essay.

Re: Meta disbanded its Responsible AI team

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Seems like something that should exist as a specialist knowledge team within an existing compliance team i.e. guided by legal concerns primarily.

You might be surprised how often the tail wags the dog in these situations. Lawyers shrug and defer to the policy doomers because they ultimately don’t understand the tech.

Re: Meta disbanded its Responsible AI team

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I honestly believe the best to make AI responsibly is to make it open source. That way no single entity has total control over it, and researchers can study them to better understand how they can be used nefariously as well as in a good way—doing that allows us to build defenses to minimize the risks, and reap the benefits. Meta is already doing that, but other companies and organizations should do that as well.

GNU/Linux is open source. Is it being used responsibly?

What is the "it" that no single entity has control over?

You have absolutely no control of what your next door neighbor is doing with open source.

Hey, if we want alcohol to be made responsibly, everyone should have their own still, made from freely redistributed blueprints. That way no single entity has control.

Re: Meta disbanded its Responsible AI team

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I honestly believe the best to make AI responsibly is to make it open source. That way no single entity has total control over it, and researchers can study them to better understand how they can be used nefariously as well as in a good way—doing that allows us to build defenses to minimize the risks, and reap the benefits. Meta is already doing that, but other companies and organizations should do that as well.

Great, Russia and China get the ability to use it or adapt it for any reason they want without any oversight.

One could argue that open source won’t change much with regard to China and Russia.

Both countries have access to LLMs already. And if they didn’t, they would have built their own or gotten access through corporate espionage.

What open source does is it helps us better understand & control the tech these countries use. And it helps level up our own homegrown tech. Both of these are good advantages to have.

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