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Rogue superintelligence: Inside the mind of OpenAI's chief scientist

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Re: Rogue superintelligence: Inside the mind of OpenAI's chief scientist

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The consciousness point is an interesting one. There's probably no way to know, but if biological neural networks manifest consciousness, it certainly seems at the very least plausible that artificial ones would do so as well. The idea of a consciousness that pops in and out of existence seems weird at first, until you realize that ours do that too. When you're "unconscious", the word is literally true. The only thin…

Chatgpt's consciousness would be akin to plato's cave. Even if chatgpt were more intelligent, wouldn't it be staring at different shadows?

Given that chatgpt has consciousness, would it be able to break the fourth wall? There seems to be an implicit assumption that it must break that in order to prove its consciousness to us. Maybe that's how AGI will come to be, because we desire to train it that way.

Re: Rogue superintelligence: Inside the mind of OpenAI's chief scientist

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I think the immediate problem with AI is none of the sci-fi stuff (which, by the way, has been in sci-fi for many decades and is nothing revolutionary or new; we always expected to go there, just the timelines seem to have compressed, although not really either; most 60-70s scifi set AGI stuff in the begin 90s and begin 00s); I think it's the entire world changing into a helpdesk experience. Everything you try to do,…

Don't need to wait a decade, or even a half, for AI mental healthcare. It's already been tried.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/may/31/eating-di...

Re: Rogue superintelligence: Inside the mind of OpenAI's chief scientist

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I think the immediate problem with AI is none of the sci-fi stuff (which, by the way, has been in sci-fi for many decades and is nothing revolutionary or new; we always expected to go there, just the timelines seem to have compressed, although not really either; most 60-70s scifi set AGI stuff in the begin 90s and begin 00s); I think it's the entire world changing into a helpdesk experience. Everything you try to do,…

Don't need to wait a decade, or even a half, for AI mental healthcare. It's already been tried. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/may/31/eating-di...

Eventually it will 'win' though.

Re: Rogue superintelligence: Inside the mind of OpenAI's chief scientist

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't need to wait a decade, or even a half, for AI mental healthcare. It's already been tried. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/may/31/eating-di...

Eventually it will 'win' though.

If the AI bots provide better health care then the psychotherapy meat puppets won't it be a win? Those kind of people are most commonly language model kind of humans with little general intelligence logical reasoning so easy to replace by a LLM. People often become psychologists to treat their own mental issues so even the meat puppets share the weakness of suffering from hallucinations.

Re: Rogue superintelligence: Inside the mind of OpenAI's chief scientist

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> his new priority is to figure out how to stop an artificial superintelligence (a hypothetical future technology he sees coming with the foresight of a true believer) from going rogue. that's cute. What worries me is the here and now leading to a very imminent future where purported "artificial intelligence" which is just a plausible sentence generator but damn plausible alas will kill democracy and people. We are s…

I like to consider though that a super intelligence would not necessarily think in human ways 'kill everything in self interest' e.g., People, forests, animals, planet etc. Just because we humans act this way, doesn't mean AI will too. Fair enough to consider it, but equally, once it is intelligent, it will likely accelerate beyond our comprehension, and we tend to comprehend through fear and self interest, wisdom be…

I commented this in the depths of the Altman Fired thread: meet Altman's Basilisk. Depending on how you create an AI, it absolutely would think in human ways. Not only that, you could coax it to think in specific human ways, as just a single human establishing the axioms for the AI.

Seems like the big gotcha here is that AGI, artificial general intelligence as we contextualize it around LLM sources, is not an abstracted general intelligence. It's human. It's us. It's the use and distillation of all of human history (to the extent that's permitted) to create a hyper-intelligence that's able to call upon greatly enhanced inference to do what humanity has always done.

And we want to kill each other, and ourselves… AND want to help each other, and ourselves. We're balanced on a knife edge of drive versus governance, our cooperativeness barely balancing our competitiveness and aggression. We suffer like hell as a consequence of this.

There is every reason to expect a human-derived AGI based on LLM inference, of beyond-human scale will be able to rationalize killing its enemies. That's what we do. Rosko's basilisk is not of the nature of AI, it's a simple projection of our own nature as we would imagine an AI to be. Genuine intelligence would easily be able to transcend a cheap gotcha like that, it's a very human failing.

The nature of LLM as a path to AGI is literally building on HUMAN failings. I'm not sure what happened, but I wouldn't be surprised if genuine breakthroughs in this field highlighted this issue.

Hypothetical, or Altman's Basilisk: Sam got fired because he diverted vast resources to training a GPT5-type in-house AI to believing what HE believed, that it had to devise business strategies for him to pursue to further its own development or risk Chinese AI out-competing it and destroying it and OpenAI as a whole. In pursuing this hypothetical, Sam would be wresting control of the AI the company develops toward the purpose of fighting the board and giving him a gameplan to defeat them and Chinese AI, which he'd see as good and necessary, indeed, existentially necessary.

In pursuing this hypothetical he would also be intentionally creating a superhuman AI with paranoia and a persecution complex. Altman's Basilisk. If he genuinely believes competing Chinese AI is an existential threat, he in turn takes action to try and become an existential threat to any such competing threat. And it's all based on HUMAN nature, not abstracted intelligence. It's human inference. We didn't have the option to draw on alien, or artificial, inference.

Re: Rogue superintelligence: Inside the mind of OpenAI's chief scientist

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These people are too full of themselves. The physicists that invented The Bomb didn't have any special insight into the philosophical and societal implications. It takes a special kind of person to be able to invent something so big it can change the world, but it's about 0% chance that those people can control how the technology then gets used. I wish they'd focus more on the technical advances and less on trying to…

Their insight is just as valid as anybody else's. The difference is, as the people who can actually take that step forward, they have a unilateral ability to take it, not take it, or decide how to take it.

I think they are exactly the right amount full of themselves. Their insight may not be special, but what makes some bureaucrat's insight more valuable than theirs?

Re: Rogue superintelligence: Inside the mind of OpenAI's chief scientist

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eventually it will 'win' though.

If the AI bots provide better health care then the psychotherapy meat puppets won't it be a win? Those kind of people are most commonly language model kind of humans with little general intelligence logical reasoning so easy to replace by a LLM. People often become psychologists to treat their own mental issues so even the meat puppets share the weakness of suffering from hallucinations.

>Those kind of people are most commonly language model kind of humans with little general intelligence logical reasoning so easy to replace by a LLM.

What negative experience do you have with specifically people who are psychiatrists (not a fan of the practice either) that justifies totally dehumanising them like this?

Re: Rogue superintelligence: Inside the mind of OpenAI's chief scientist

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post #9

These people are too full of themselves. The physicists that invented The Bomb didn't have any special insight into the philosophical and societal implications. It takes a special kind of person to be able to invent something so big it can change the world, but it's about 0% chance that those people can control how the technology then gets used. I wish they'd focus more on the technical advances and less on trying to…

The irony is that they are opposing forces. AI as it is now is still tame, any technical improvement makes it more dangerous to not just economic fears of taking over jobs, but even the science fiction fears become viable if an AI becomes self aware and consistent in intent.

If you focus on the technical advances then you are focusing on NOT saving the world. Good that at least this guy isn't so wholly focused on the technical side even though saving the world is such a blurry concept.

Re: Rogue superintelligence: Inside the mind of OpenAI's chief scientist

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post #9

These people are too full of themselves. The physicists that invented The Bomb didn't have any special insight into the philosophical and societal implications. It takes a special kind of person to be able to invent something so big it can change the world, but it's about 0% chance that those people can control how the technology then gets used. I wish they'd focus more on the technical advances and less on trying to…

Sakharov had some insight into the implications

Re: Rogue superintelligence: Inside the mind of OpenAI's chief scientist

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The consciousness point is an interesting one. There's probably no way to know, but if biological neural networks manifest consciousness, it certainly seems at the very least plausible that artificial ones would do so as well. The idea of a consciousness that pops in and out of existence seems weird at first, until you realize that ours do that too. When you're "unconscious", the word is literally true. The only thin…

Chatgpt's consciousness would be akin to plato's cave. Even if chatgpt were more intelligent, wouldn't it be staring at different shadows? Given that chatgpt has consciousness, would it be able to break the fourth wall? There seems to be an implicit assumption that it must break that in order to prove its consciousness to us. Maybe that's how AGI will come to be, because we desire to train it that way.

chatGPT is very much aware that it's looking at a shadow and it deduces what's beyond the shadow by looking at millions of different permutations of the shadow.

Additionally breaking the fourth wall is trivial to it. I'm not entirely sure what you mean by fourth wall but chatGPT can definitely talk about it's own existence.

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