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Re: Google's advanced music generation model and two new AI experiments

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Post by vouaobrasil »

From the article:

> Each participating artist has partnered with us and will have a hand in helping us test and learn to shape the future of AI in music.

Let me correct that: each participating artist has been given a wad of dirty cash in return for their help in training replacements for mass music. Notice that I said "mass music" -- people will always be able to create by hand, but it's clear that the ultimate goal is to create a system whereby people pay for AI generated music (either with money or with ad views) and no longer need human-created music for commercial purposes.

> Our music AI experiments have been designed in line with YouTube’s AI principles, which aim to enable creative expression while protecting music artists and the integrity of their work.

This is hardly a protection. It only protects existing, secure artists. It does not protect new artists from being outcompeted by AI. (Music composed by humans could still be better but AI will compete simply because it is cheap and widely available.)

This article written by Google is a testament to the true nature of Google, which is the nature of being a leech and parasite. OF COURSE, at first, this tool MIGHT be interesting and provide new ways of creating music, but we have to remember that it will mainly function in the context of YouTube, which is about superficial consumption and advertising. The addictiveness and widespread usage of YouTube is becoming a societal problem, and this technology will standardize AI music into becoming mainstream.

Many people think that AI is just a tool to aid in music creation. It is for now, but what it actually does is three things:

(1) It creates a new standard where music is no longer about human expression but about creating a basic layer of entertainment to go along with advertising.

(2) It changes the minds of human beings to think more like machines.

(3) At some point, it will be so advanced that it will hardly need anyone to create it, and Google and other big tech companies can use it to be an alternative to traditional musicians, who will not be able to compete and therefore will not be able to do what they love to survive.

Remember, technology at first is an optional curiosity but successful technologies ALWAYS become entrenched in society and modify it significantly, and in this case, for the worse.

Shame on Google for this and I truly despise them.

Re: Google's advanced music generation model and two new AI experiments

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Post by huijzer »

lynx23 wrote: post #3

Replace "Transforming" with "Disrupting" and the story feels more real. Frankly, I love music. That is why I'd prefer if Google did not mingle in this bussiness. Creatives already have a hard time making any sort of living from their talent, and AI generated "elevator music" will not make that situation any better.

Earning money by making music is a power law, that is, only a few people will make a lot of money while many will earn almost nothing. This is partially due to the required skills. If a system could lower the barrier to entry, then you could also make an argument that a music AI makes it a more level playing field.

Re: Google's advanced music generation model and two new AI experiments

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Post by iamsaitam »

gardenhedge wrote: post #6

Wow, AI really will democratize music creating. This is an awesome way for people to translate their ideas to music without needing to be privileged enough to get violin or guitar lessons. I see a future where we all make our own music and share it freely with family and friends. This means less listening to manufactured pop songs written by suits with the sole aim of making a profit. This will still happen of course…

This is sarcasm right?

Re: Google's advanced music generation model and two new AI experiments

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Post by vouaobrasil »

zb3 wrote: post #9

Did they release it? If not, then it's because it sucks, not because they care about "safety".

Google doesn't care about safety. It's exceptionally naive to think that a company that pulls in this kind of money to ever think about safety. They only pay lip service to it to keep their legal department happy. They are leeches.

Re: Google's advanced music generation model and two new AI experiments

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Post by parasti »

gardenhedge wrote: post #6

Wow, AI really will democratize music creating. This is an awesome way for people to translate their ideas to music without needing to be privileged enough to get violin or guitar lessons. I see a future where we all make our own music and share it freely with family and friends. This means less listening to manufactured pop songs written by suits with the sole aim of making a profit. This will still happen of course…

I'm sorry, but we've had the other option for hundreds of years. Playing an instrument or using your voice to make pleasant sounds isn't rocket science.

Re: Google's advanced music generation model and two new AI experiments

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Post by Mashimo »

iamsaitam wrote: post #13
gardenhedge wrote: post #6

Wow, AI really will democratize music creating. This is an awesome way for people to translate their ideas to music without needing to be privileged enough to get violin or guitar lessons. I see a future where we all make our own music and share it freely with family and friends. This means less listening to manufactured pop songs written by suits with the sole aim of making a profit. This will still happen of course…

This is sarcasm right?

You don't think this will lower the barrier of entry for music creation?

Re: Google's advanced music generation model and two new AI experiments

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Post by vouaobrasil »

huijzer wrote: post #12
lynx23 wrote: post #3

Replace "Transforming" with "Disrupting" and the story feels more real. Frankly, I love music. That is why I'd prefer if Google did not mingle in this bussiness. Creatives already have a hard time making any sort of living from their talent, and AI generated "elevator music" will not make that situation any better.

Earning money by making music is a power law, that is, only a few people will make a lot of money while many will earn almost nothing. This is partially due to the required skills. If a system could lower the barrier to entry, then you could also make an argument that a music AI makes it a more level playing field.

That is true, but does it make sense to lower the barrier of entry if in return, the world becomes a fiefdom where Google is part of a tech feudal-lord conglomerate and you have to be subservient to their wishes?

Besides, the reason why the power law distribution here is exceptionally skewed is precisely BECAUSE of technology like the internet. If you read about the history of music, in the past before technology, all musicians made less but at least there were places for local musicians to play in a strong community such as in local pubs and such.

TECHNOLOGY created the problem of the extreme power law and now it's disguising itself as a solution. But like the devil, a company like Google does not offer anyhting for free.

Re: Google's advanced music generation model and two new AI experiments

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Post by vouaobrasil »

light_hue_1 wrote: post #7

Yet another tool from Google that's closed. No model, no code, no real details. You can't even run the model today. Google continues to live in the darkest timeline when it comes to ai and ml.

I certainly hope this will fail, but because it's part of YouTube and thus part of their main advertising goal, it probably won't.

Re: Google's advanced music generation model and two new AI experiments

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Post by threeseed »

atleastoptimal wrote: post #8

The moment quality in art becomes commodified, what is popular will select on something other than quality. Look what happened to visual art in the earliest 20th century. Any art academy graduate could give you a beautiful painting, but nobody remembers any artists from the 20th century who simply made "beautiful paintings"

Already been seeing this play out in photography.

Huge trend back to 90s CCD digital cameras, film, polaroid etc.

Re: Google's advanced music generation model and two new AI experiments

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Post by sirwitti »

atleastoptimal wrote: post #8

The moment quality in art becomes commodified, what is popular will select on something other than quality. Look what happened to visual art in the earliest 20th century. Any art academy graduate could give you a beautiful painting, but nobody remembers any artists from the 20th century who simply made "beautiful paintings"

Quality never was the only or even the most important aspect of popularity in music and probably art in general.

So I'm not sure your projection is valid.

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