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Ford F-150 Lightning Breezes Up Obstacle Where Tesla Cybertruck Struggled

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Re: Ford F-150 Lightning Breezes Up Obstacle Where Tesla Cybertruck Struggled

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Post by jph00 »

brucethemoose2 wrote: post #6
HankB99 wrote: post #3

To my untrained (WRT off-roading) eye, I didn't see that much difference between the two. I also wonder how much difference there would be due to driver skill. And as mentioned in TFA, Ford has been making trucks a lot longer than Tesla.

Hm? Its pretty massive to me. The Tesla has like no suspension travel. The suspension is barely compressing, and you can see the body bounce over the terrain as the wheels lift or almost lift. If you covered the top of the truck from view, I'd say it looks like a cheap crossover. And the base F-150 is not really a long travel truck, its just... you know, sprung like a truck. A little side by side UTV could run over t…

Also, according to the article, the Ford is on road tires whilst the CT is on all-terrains.

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Post by grecy »

foobarian wrote: post #4
HankB99 wrote: post #3

To my untrained (WRT off-roading) eye, I didn't see that much difference between the two. I also wonder how much difference there would be due to driver skill. And as mentioned in TFA, Ford has been making trucks a lot longer than Tesla.

I'm with you, both trucks struggled a bit but made it to the top. Is this kind of driving an important use case though? I would think it would be more impressive to compare how these trucks handle towing trailers.

All trucks struggle to make it up that obstacle - the concrete is slick with sand and the lumps make it hard to get traction.

There's plenty of videos of fully built Wranglers struggling more than the Cybertruck.

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Post by carabiner »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #7

As much as I wanna hate on the Cybertruck, tests like these are kind of irelevant as the tires could end up making more of a difference than the car. Granted it's Tesla's responsibility to ship the car with adequate tires to its customers.

Yes, this is a tire test. My Tacoma would skid (scary) on Seattle's steep, wet streets, until I got Michelins. Huge difference and not because of the truck.

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Post by lolbase »

For context, this is a video of a traditional truck driving up the same hill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptTwpkWQY_s

And here's a Range Rover going up it: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_00ah8lG4yk

It seems like the CT doesn't have the equivalent of a locking diff, and had essentially no articulation. It'll be fine for the target demo (on-road usage).

Both the Lightning and the CT clearly suffer from their weight, and their optimization for on-road performance. (in the lightnings case, it even seems to be on stock tires).

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning Breezes Up Obstacle Where Tesla Cybertruck Struggled

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Post by GenerWork »

SigmundA wrote: post #10

Looks like the Tesla has an open diff with poor brake lock diff control, I think the lighting has an option for a locking rear diff wonder if they were using it, looks like it. Interesting thing about the Rivian quad motor version is while it has full software control due to a motor per wheel, this can be a downside for crawling like this because it has no way to send torque from one side to the other, so if say only…

>this can be a downside for crawling like this because it has no way to send torque from one side to the other

I'm pretty sure that there'll eventually be some sort of LSD/locking programming for electric motors. Take the existing F-150 Tremor for example. It comes with a locking rear diff and a Torsen diff in the front axle. If you have a quad motor vehicle, someone could easily write a "locking rear diff" mode that simply has the rear motors turn at the same pace, and then have a "Torsen diff" mode for the front that will modulate the front motors just like a Torsen diff would.

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