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Kathleen Sully, the Vanished Novelist (2022)

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Re: Kathleen Sully, the Vanished Novelist (2022)

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"One reason for her critical neglect is that she didn’t fit in—a reflection of the institutional prejudices of the English literary world. She was a woman writing when writing was a man’s game—not just a man’s game, but a public school/university-educated man’s game." Blithely written about the days when Agatha Christie topped best-seller lists.

I think the writer means literary in the narrower sense of 'literary fiction'. Christie was a genre writer; like F/SF etc. I understand that wasn't quite respectable in the upper echelons of the book world. Certainly the reviewers in places like the TLS would be primarily interested in literary fiction.

The article may seem to take that view, but dispels it at the same time: "a list of 100 or so English woman novelists of the 20th century, a list running from Margaret Atwood to Virginia Woolf." Then it comes up with other possible explanations, all speculative. There's no conclusion.

Re: Kathleen Sully, the Vanished Novelist (2022)

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post #6

I saw this quotation in The Economist: "Success is random. Bestsellers are random. So that's why we are the Random House." (Markus Dohle, Penguin Random House) Reading about Kathleen Sully I wonder again to what extent critical acclaim is as random as commercial success.

>I wonder again to what extent critical acclaim is as random as commercial success.

you can't acclaim what you've never read.

However there are a lot of studies that indicate critical acclaim also seems related to attending the right institutions of higher education, which would indicate a decrease in randomness.

Re: Kathleen Sully, the Vanished Novelist (2022)

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post #11
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the writer means literary in the narrower sense of 'literary fiction'. Christie was a genre writer; like F/SF etc. I understand that wasn't quite respectable in the upper echelons of the book world. Certainly the reviewers in places like the TLS would be primarily interested in literary fiction.

The article may seem to take that view, but dispels it at the same time: "a list of 100 or so English woman novelists of the 20th century, a list running from Margaret Atwood to Virginia Woolf." Then it comes up with other possible explanations, all speculative. There's no conclusion.

Virgina Woolf wasn’t so highly regarded until mid century, well after her death. Before that, her reputation did not extend outside a circle of modernists. The Bloomsbury scene in general were countercultural even within the English literary-fiction world.

Re: Kathleen Sully, the Vanished Novelist (2022)

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post #6

I saw this quotation in The Economist: "Success is random. Bestsellers are random. So that's why we are the Random House." (Markus Dohle, Penguin Random House) Reading about Kathleen Sully I wonder again to what extent critical acclaim is as random as commercial success.

Many years back Yahoo did an experiment with ranking music. They found that every time they ran it, different songs would bubble to the top as "best". From memory, something about early front-runners getting a lock-in.

Edit: found a link https://unbiasx.com/the-yahoo-musiclab-experiment/

Re: Kathleen Sully, the Vanished Novelist (2022)

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post #6

I saw this quotation in The Economist: "Success is random. Bestsellers are random. So that's why we are the Random House." (Markus Dohle, Penguin Random House) Reading about Kathleen Sully I wonder again to what extent critical acclaim is as random as commercial success.

>I wonder again to what extent critical acclaim is as random as commercial success. you can't acclaim what you've never read. However there are a lot of studies that indicate critical acclaim also seems related to attending the right institutions of higher education, which would indicate a decrease in randomness.

I guess that suggests commercial success, which is random, is more fair than critical acclaim - which is rigged.

Re: Kathleen Sully, the Vanished Novelist (2022)

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post #15
post #6

I saw this quotation in The Economist: "Success is random. Bestsellers are random. So that's why we are the Random House." (Markus Dohle, Penguin Random House) Reading about Kathleen Sully I wonder again to what extent critical acclaim is as random as commercial success.

Many years back Yahoo did an experiment with ranking music. They found that every time they ran it, different songs would bubble to the top as "best". From memory, something about early front-runners getting a lock-in. Edit: found a link https://unbiasx.com/the-yahoo-musiclab-experiment/

You can see the same scenario run out with HN or Reddit comments, where early comments become the "best".
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