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Tragedy of return to hostile offices

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Re: Tragedy of return to hostile offices

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> Optimising for individual happiness can result in less of the joy that people find in teams that achieve great things together. I'll take the happiness thanks. You can keep the joy, let me know when you can share in the rewards of those achievements more robustly and I'll consider sacrificing for it.

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Re: Tragedy of return to hostile offices

#12

> Optimising for individual happiness can result in less of the joy that people find in teams that achieve great things together. I'll take the happiness thanks. You can keep the joy, let me know when you can share in the rewards of those achievements more robustly and I'll consider sacrificing for it.

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Every cult uses something different to pull in true believers.

Re: Tragedy of return to hostile offices

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So, I have often worked remotely, think it's fine, and makes sense in some cases. But, honestly, this is a professional-class issue, and every article about it seems written from a viewpoint that has forgotten about most of the population. The waitress and cook never had the option of working remotely, nor did the factory worker, the construction worker, the taxicab driver, the truck driver, etc. etc. Most of the population never had the option of remote work. The professional class bemoaning that they are being "forced" back to the office (translation: they won't pay you to work at home) is beyond a 1st World problem; it's a 1st World professional class problem. Even surgeons and nurses and dentists have to be "at work" in order to work, for the most part. The longer we bemoan being forced to go to work in order to get paid, the more the rest of the population becomes convinced that the professional class is entitled and a bit spoiled.

Re: Tragedy of return to hostile offices

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I think at the team level most individuals do want to make change and work in the most efficient way possible it's just at big multinational corporations what you can modify about your environment can be extremely limited.

Maybe. I do think there are a fair number of people who recognize there are downsides to never seeing coworkers in person. But, given the option, it's a tradeoff they'll make so they don't need to commute.

Re: Tragedy of return to hostile offices

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> Optimising for individual happiness can result in less of the joy that people find in teams that achieve great things together. I'll take the happiness thanks. You can keep the joy, let me know when you can share in the rewards of those achievements more robustly and I'll consider sacrificing for it.

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If achieving great things doesn't mean the American dream of a house with a vegetable garden, a wildflower meadow, and a little patch of grass for kicking a ball around, I'm not interested.

Re: Tragedy of return to hostile offices

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In some ways, OP’s suggestions are a recipe for building hostile teams!

Why would I be entitled to interrupt someone to review my code, just because they are sitting next to me?

Always on zoom? No, thanks. It invariably devolves into micromanaging.

Constant KPI awareness? Most companies cannot even agree on how a valuable KPI looks like.

Remote pair programming? Honest question here, is pair programming still a thing?

Re: Tragedy of return to hostile offices

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So, I have often worked remotely, think it's fine, and makes sense in some cases. But, honestly, this is a professional-class issue, and every article about it seems written from a viewpoint that has forgotten about most of the population. The waitress and cook never had the option of working remotely, nor did the factory worker, the construction worker, the taxicab driver, the truck driver, etc. etc. Most of the pop…

It's an existential issue.

Carbon emissions are literally killing people, and are bound to kill many more millions if we don't change our ways.

So if the cooks and nurses and truck drivers have no choice, then I'd say that it's our duty to work remotely in order to do our part in reducing emissions.

Re: Tragedy of return to hostile offices

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I work in Cork, Ireland. My boss is in Dublin, his boss Singapore, my staff in Nova Scotia, Devs in Manila, clients in London and New York. I'm always working remotely, no matter where I am, as is anyone who works in any multi office company.

The RTO is being entirely driven from the top by institutional investors wanting to avoid losses on property investments and from the bottom by those who have yet to grapple with the fact they dont have friends or hobbies and need you in the office so that they dont feel like such embarrassing losers.

The return to office has nothing to do with productivity, trying to look at things through that lens reflects a total lack of understanding of whats going on.

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