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Google/IAC/Expedia (2019)

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Re: Google/IAC/Expedia (2019)

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Between Android, App Store, Chrome and Search Google has a very big stronghold over how people access and consume the internet. Google has an insane competitive advantage over most of the internet into knowing exactly what are people looking for and being the first to provide it. This isn't any different to what Amazon does on their shop. They know what sells and for how better than any of their sellers, and they wil…

That's why we have public roads.

Re: Google/IAC/Expedia (2019)

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What became of this conversation? Better deals? Increased hostility? Indifference?

I can imagine a Google exec reading this and laughing. Because no matter what we do you keep paying whatever number we type up

Re: Google/IAC/Expedia (2019)

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Hate to say it but this is where we get the state to step in and simply dismember the company.

Dismember into what? Except for a lot of ranting and stamping of feet on HN, I don't see a lot of HNers jumping in and providing free alternative services for Google services? There is a lot of DEMAND for free services for sure, but doesn't seem a lot of people are putting their money where their mouth is? Kagi hasn't grown all that much, neither have services like Nebula?

Android, cloud, email, youtube, maps, search and advertising could all be entirely separate businesses in an actual sense.

Re: Google/IAC/Expedia (2019)

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Between Android, App Store, Chrome and Search Google has a very big stronghold over how people access and consume the internet. Google has an insane competitive advantage over most of the internet into knowing exactly what are people looking for and being the first to provide it. This isn't any different to what Amazon does on their shop. They know what sells and for how better than any of their sellers, and they wil…

Is the idea for commercial search engine a bad idea? Where only e-commerce websites are tracked instead of the whole web? I don't understand this idea of intent tracking, guessing and suggestions. I explicitly want good results for my query, I have already made my mind to buy something. For this reason, I despise that Facebook guesses my intent when I visit an e-commerce website through Google search and starts suggesting related websites on its apps in async manner. All I want is, give me an interface to search for relevant query. I don't care if I search on Google or Facebook.

Re: Google/IAC/Expedia (2019)

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Between Android, App Store, Chrome and Search Google has a very big stronghold over how people access and consume the internet. Google has an insane competitive advantage over most of the internet into knowing exactly what are people looking for and being the first to provide it. This isn't any different to what Amazon does on their shop. They know what sells and for how better than any of their sellers, and they wil…

Hate to say it but this is where we get the state to step in and simply dismember the company.

Why do you hate saying it? Thought crime guilt?

Re: Google/IAC/Expedia (2019)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dismember into what? Except for a lot of ranting and stamping of feet on HN, I don't see a lot of HNers jumping in and providing free alternative services for Google services? There is a lot of DEMAND for free services for sure, but doesn't seem a lot of people are putting their money where their mouth is? Kagi hasn't grown all that much, neither have services like Nebula?

Android, cloud, email, youtube, maps, search and advertising could all be entirely separate businesses in an actual sense.

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Re: Google/IAC/Expedia (2019)

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dismember into what? Except for a lot of ranting and stamping of feet on HN, I don't see a lot of HNers jumping in and providing free alternative services for Google services? There is a lot of DEMAND for free services for sure, but doesn't seem a lot of people are putting their money where their mouth is? Kagi hasn't grown all that much, neither have services like Nebula?

Android, cloud, email, youtube, maps, search and advertising could all be entirely separate businesses in an actual sense.

Is it possible to do that without there just being implicit back channels between the businesses, and they continue to operate as before?

I guess you could enforce some kind of open-tender requirements on their projects or something but that seems extremely difficult.

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Hate to say it but this is where we get the state to step in and simply dismember the company.

Why do you hate saying it? Thought crime guilt?

Thoughtcrime on HN would be assuming Google actually does good and provides value. Wanting FAANG companies to be broken up, by violence if necessary, is such a common opinion here it's banal.

Re: Google/IAC/Expedia (2019)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Android, cloud, email, youtube, maps, search and advertising could all be entirely separate businesses in an actual sense.

Is it possible to do that without there just being implicit back channels between the businesses, and they continue to operate as before? I guess you could enforce some kind of open-tender requirements on their projects or something but that seems extremely difficult.

There is anti-cartel legislation that should prevent that, I think.

And why would it be in the interest of shareholders of the parts to only do business with the other old Google parts?

Re: Google/IAC/Expedia (2019)

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Why do you hate saying it? Thought crime guilt?

Thoughtcrime on HN would be assuming Google actually does good and provides value. Wanting FAANG companies to be broken up, by violence if necessary, is such a common opinion here it's banal.

But only the FAANG that have failed to properly market this month - Meta is currently in favor (or at least out of weekly rant cycle), Apple and Microsoft have managed to spend enough on marketing lately to be spared the bile floodgates of HN with Google being its usual incompetent self.

But the pendulum will shift again.

(The core of my annoyance here isn't ranting over FAANGs, but the fact that any kind of suggestion of systemic fixes immediately brings out libertarians accusing us of trying to undermine poor economy.)

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