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Lost "Doctor Who" episodes found but owner is reluctant to hand them to BBC

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Preservers of cultural memory should be rewarded.

Canada spent years digitizing classic TV and published the shows on a Youtube channel, then suddenly deleted all the content without notice to archivers, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35716982.

In the absence of social contracts for preservation, we are left with defensive archiving.

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The easiest solution would be to send them anonymously to a third party abroad, who'd then proceed to digitise the tapes, returning the originals to the collectors, and hand the resulting files to the BBC. Setting up a trustable network of anonymous relays crossing jurisdictions for physical goods is the hard part, and tends to attract the wrong kind of attention to the ones involved.

I'm such a third party, could do it. I could't care less about restoring BBC history if BBC themselves don't care enough to lay down a legal way for this to happen without my help.

This is how it feels to me. Dump them on a pirate site, no reason to give them to the BBC if they have no interest in trying to get them

Re: Lost "Doctor Who" episodes found but owner is reluctant to hand them to BBC

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Preservers of cultural memory should be rewarded. Canada spent years digitizing classic TV and published the shows on a Youtube channel, then suddenly deleted all the content without notice to archivers, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35716982 . In the absence of social contracts for preservation, we are left with defensive archiving.

Why preserve what you wish not to remember.

Re: Lost "Doctor Who" episodes found but owner is reluctant to hand them to BBC

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> These collectors were seen as criminals, but now we can see they are really saviours. An amnesty would stop them being frightened of prosecution,” he said.

The UK is unusual in that it has no statute of limitations for most crimes besides "summary offenses" (equivalent to US misdemeanors): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limitation_periods_in_the_Unit...

Re: Lost "Doctor Who" episodes found but owner is reluctant to hand them to BBC

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Why is the BBC being weird about it?

There have been a lot of attempts to extort money out of the BBC by people falsely claiming that they have lost episodes over the years, they may simply not believe these claims are as credible as the article suggests.

Re: Lost "Doctor Who" episodes found but owner is reluctant to hand them to BBC

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post #3

The easiest solution would be to send them anonymously to a third party abroad, who'd then proceed to digitise the tapes, returning the originals to the collectors, and hand the resulting files to the BBC. Setting up a trustable network of anonymous relays crossing jurisdictions for physical goods is the hard part, and tends to attract the wrong kind of attention to the ones involved.

> The easiest solution would be to . . .

That doesn't meet the goal of amnesty.

Before the footage is made available, the people holding that footage have leverage.

Once they share it somehow, the leverage is gone and it's unlikely that they'd be given amnesty. In fact, the act of sharing the footage has some nonzero chance of revealing people . . .

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post #3

The easiest solution would be to send them anonymously to a third party abroad, who'd then proceed to digitise the tapes, returning the originals to the collectors, and hand the resulting files to the BBC. Setting up a trustable network of anonymous relays crossing jurisdictions for physical goods is the hard part, and tends to attract the wrong kind of attention to the ones involved.

Surely this third party abroad will not alter stored footage with some hidden and pranky details..

Re: Lost "Doctor Who" episodes found but owner is reluctant to hand them to BBC

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post #4

Why is the BBC being weird about it?

There have been a lot of attempts to extort money out of the BBC by people falsely claiming that they have lost episodes over the years, they may simply not believe these claims are as credible as the article suggests.

That doesn't make any sense. OP is about reports that BBC refuses to make any legal promises and talk only vaguely about cooperating with owners, when it would be so easy for them to simply publicly promise to not prosecute material stole before, say, 1990. Obviously, granting 'an amnesty for stolen episodes' is even easier for fake episodes which were never stolen in the first place... The credibility of the claims is irrelevant.

Re: Lost "Doctor Who" episodes found but owner is reluctant to hand them to BBC

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The easiest solution would be to send them anonymously to a third party abroad, who'd then proceed to digitise the tapes, returning the originals to the collectors, and hand the resulting files to the BBC. Setting up a trustable network of anonymous relays crossing jurisdictions for physical goods is the hard part, and tends to attract the wrong kind of attention to the ones involved.

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