Is this the same DOJ going after SpaceX for the opposite?
Both are illegal in most circumstances, so yes.
Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says
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#12Is this the same DOJ going after SpaceX for the opposite?
Not the opposite. The full group referenced here is “US citizens and certain non-US citizens whose permission to live in and work in the United States does not expire," and they went after SpaceX for discrimination against the latter (refugees and asylees, specifically).
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#13It says Apple agreed to pay the fine, but does this mean they will actually stop discriminating in their hiring?
The only person who can conclusively answer that would need a time machine to speak to you.
Re: Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says
#14Is this the same DOJ going after SpaceX for the opposite?
Same in the sense of "discrimination"
Opposite in the sense of the direction of the discrimination.
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#15It says Apple agreed to pay the fine, but does this mean they will actually stop discriminating in their hiring?
Unclear, but they committed to certain changes in behavior as well as 3 years of DOJ monitoring, so the fine is not the whole story.
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#16It says Apple agreed to pay the fine, but does this mean they will actually stop discriminating in their hiring?
The DOJ wants them to allow electronic submission of applications to PERM jobs and to publish these jobs anywhere they publish other jobs. Apple agreed to this and to train their relevant employees about the issue for three years.
The article doesn't come right out and say it, but the case seems to have turned on PERM jobs being only available when there isn't a citizen/refugee/permanent-resident available to fill the position and that applying in paper was an unreasonable hurdle to these classes and that the positions should be advertised as widely as other jobs to ensure they aren't missing potential protected class workers who might like to apply.
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#17Re: Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says
#18This is the thing where when you want to sponsor a specific employee for an H1B you have to post notices pretending to look for American citizens instead. Every FAANG is guilty of this. Every startup is guilty of this. There is no law less adhered to in the US. Everyone posts the notice on the office fridge or the receptionist stand or runs some newspaper ad to cover the nominal letter of the law. It's completely poi…
Well, stupid laws will get stupid compliance.
The idea that asking companies to fire their existing employer just to hire some "citizen" employee is dumb beyong measure. H1B visas should not exist in first place. Just give green card and let the person be citizen.
The problem is compounded by the racial quota for Indians in greencards. Indians are extremely good at hacking systems and longer they stay in that queue, they would totally destroy this sort of idiotic system. (This is a complement to Indians).
Re: Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says
#19This is the thing where when you want to sponsor a specific employee for an H1B you have to post notices pretending to look for American citizens instead. Every FAANG is guilty of this. Every startup is guilty of this. There is no law less adhered to in the US. Everyone posts the notice on the office fridge or the receptionist stand or runs some newspaper ad to cover the nominal letter of the law. It's completely poi…
Are you telling me all those job opportunities in the back of IEEE Spectrum where they give 1 line job descriptions and tell you to mail your resume to some anonymous post office box aren’t actual job opportunities? I can’t believe it!
In other words, professional societies are complicit in this too.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
SpaceX works on (potentially) military techologies covered by ITAR protection.
... which makes the DoJ going after SpaceX for allegedly not hiring refugees/non-citizens all the stranger.
Well, they are seemingly allow to hire permanent residents and are not restricted to citizens only. If there was a citizen only requirement this would be a non issue.
You aren't allowed to exclude somebody who would otherwise be eligible because their work permit has an expiry date