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People no longer know how much to tip - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38213518 - Nov 2023 (170 comments)
Americans are confused, frustrated by new tipping culture, study finds
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Re: Americans are confused, frustrated by new tipping culture, study finds
#12In America we need to get rid of sub-minimum wages as it's currently legal in many states (Arkansas, Connecticut, Louisiana, etc.) to pay under the federal minimum wage ($7.25 per hour) and make up that salary by tips. Source:
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped
And I would also encourage people to patronize businesses that pay their workers higher wages. Also some of these businesses have higher prices and don't accept tips.
I live in near Seattle and when I patronize the cafe at Ada's Technical Books in Seattle I'm happy with paying a higher prices for food or drinks because they have explicitly say they don't accept tips and pay their workers higher wages. Source: https://www.adasbooks.com/notipping
Re: Americans are confused, frustrated by new tipping culture, study finds
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
A) everyone stops tipping across the board B) businesses have to start paying their staff better wages
I think the order here is B. then A. Historically we haven't see it go the other way
Where have you seen it go from B to A successfully? Several states already have mandatory minimum wage laws that apply to waitstaff. The local culture of tipping still expects you to tip these people—I’ve had countless arguments with people about this to no effect. They don’t tip the minimum wage worker bagging their groceries, but by god you had better leave a tip for your server or else you are a horrible person.
Re: Americans are confused, frustrated by new tipping culture, study finds
#14In America we need to get rid of sub-minimum wages as it's currently legal in many states (Arkansas, Connecticut, Louisiana, etc.) to pay under the federal minimum wage ($7.25 per hour) and make up that salary by tips. Source: https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped And I would also encourage people to patronize businesses that pay their workers higher wages. Also some of these businesses have high…
I live in Seattle and previously in California. Both states have a high min wage, for waiters included. It hasn't stopped the majority of restaurants to gouge insane % off tips from patrons.
Re: Americans are confused, frustrated by new tipping culture, study finds
#15What's so complicated? If you don't want to tip, don't tip. If there are repercussions, that's their business, stop supporting them.
Re: Americans are confused, frustrated by new tipping culture, study finds
#16It's been weird here in Australia- where this is not a thing. - that pos software from America is more and more making us press zero every time I buy something when it prompts for a tip.
Re: Americans are confused, frustrated by new tipping culture, study finds
#17A) start a town crier that names and shames mom and pop shops with tipping on their point of sale system B) put social and legal pressure on point of sale systems like Block to stop pushing tipping interfaces on merchants. On the legal side regulate the merchant codes and what POS systems can show based on merchant code, create consequences for noncompliance. Mandate disabling it completely even for restaurants when…
If a state or local government wants to forbid tipping it doesn’t have to be this complicated. Pass a law that says it’s forbidden, that credit card merchants and POS merchants must disable tipping functionality, and for cash tips up a hotline & fees for merchants that solicit them. Tipping is only a thing because we’ve normalized it. If you pass a law against it, it’s no longer normal, and customers will mostly stop…
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Re: Americans are confused, frustrated by new tipping culture, study finds
#18It's been weird here in Australia- where this is not a thing. - that pos software from America is more and more making us press zero every time I buy something when it prompts for a tip.
Some quick serve restaurants with apps now encourage a tip. This week I ordered on app and tried to leave a cash tip and there was no way to do it. Manager said it is a franchise rule now. Of course, they took the tip.
Re: Americans are confused, frustrated by new tipping culture, study finds
#19A) start a town crier that names and shames mom and pop shops with tipping on their point of sale system B) put social and legal pressure on point of sale systems like Block to stop pushing tipping interfaces on merchants. On the legal side regulate the merchant codes and what POS systems can show based on merchant code, create consequences for noncompliance. Mandate disabling it completely even for restaurants when…
A) everyone stops tipping across the board B) businesses have to start paying their staff better wages
yes but since that’s not going to happen due to the guilt based perpetuation of it, we can attack the intermediaries so that it is disincentivized first
Re: Americans are confused, frustrated by new tipping culture, study finds
#20What's so complicated? If you don't want to tip, don't tip. If there are repercussions, that's their business, stop supporting them.
People shouldn't have to be harassed by companies constantly begging them to subsidize their labor expenses and customers shouldn't have to worry that they're getting bad service (or worse) in retaliation for hitting the "No Tip" button.
I'm sure as hell not tipping for counter service or for retail transactions, but they keep begging for it. As more and more people fall for the scam there's a risk that it will become expected and suddenly I'm the asshole for not paying more for nothing. Good luck explaining to someone making minimum wage that the person they should really be upset at is their employer who refuses to pay them a living wage.