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"I'm calling from Israeli intelligence"
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#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Should your house be bombed if someone down the street is building a bomb in their garage?
I would absolutely expect my house to be bombed if my government was building bombs in the homes nearby. Heck in pretty much every other war, you could expect to be bombed in you worked in a factory building the bombs.
On the other hand, I would not have voted for them in the first place.
I also love my family, so when a military tells me to evacuate a city, I would be getting out of there no matter what.
Re: "I'm calling from Israeli intelligence"
#13Previous post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38187301
That is this post.
Re: "I'm calling from Israeli intelligence"
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
Should your house be bombed if someone down the street is building a bomb in their garage?
I would absolutely expect my house to be bombed if my government was building bombs in the homes nearby. Heck in pretty much every other war, you could expect to be bombed in you worked in a factory building the bombs. On the other hand, I would not have voted for them in the first place. I also love my family, so when a military tells me to evacuate a city, I would be getting out of there no matter what.
maybe Israel should bomb itself then?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up...
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> they must be the most restraint army in the world
It is unbelievable that basic decency comes as surprise.
It is as if some only met beasts and never met a Man.
Beasts should be seen as the exception - even when overwhelming in number.
Re: "I'm calling from Israeli intelligence"
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
Should your house be bombed if someone down the street is building a bomb in their garage?
I would absolutely expect my house to be bombed if my government was building bombs in the homes nearby. Heck in pretty much every other war, you could expect to be bombed in you worked in a factory building the bombs. On the other hand, I would not have voted for them in the first place. I also love my family, so when a military tells me to evacuate a city, I would be getting out of there no matter what.
The overwhelming majority of those being bombed were were not part of the 44.45% that voted for Hamas in the 2006 election.
Certainly none of the ~ 3K children killed by the IDF in recent weeks voted.
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#17Weird to see all these comments calling the army generous. They didn't have to bomb a civilian block at all.
Especially given the Israeli government's historical role in both initially fostering the development of Hamas and more recently continuing to work to strengthen it as a means of dividing Palestinians and having a less sympathetic enemy to, particularly, secular Western nations than the less-Islamist, more-secular-Arab-nationalist PLO and later Fatah and the Palestinian Authority to serve as a pretext to avoid pressure to make peace and accept the existence of a Palestinian state. [0]
Nothing is "generous", at best it is extremely cynical PR gestures, to be seen as generous by people who only pay attention during the fighting, and not to the broader context in which Israel has spent literal decades deliberately engineering conditions to assure a continued excuse for it.
[0] for the recent part see, e.g., https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up...
Most of the time, Israeli policy was to treat the Palestinian Authority as a burden and Hamas as an asset. Far-right MK Bezalel Smotrich, now the finance minister in the hardline government and leader of the Religious Zionism party, said so himself in 2015.
According to various reports, Netanyahu made a similar point at a Likud faction meeting in early 2019, when he was quoted as saying that those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza, because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.
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#18One side is trying to minimise civilian causalities, and is failing to completely achieve that.
The other side is trying to maximise civilian causalities, and is failing to completely achieve that.
I'll let you choose which you think has the moral high ground. Use the up vote button if you think minimisation is good, and down vote if you think maximisation is good.
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#19why is politics/news even on hackernews?
This is «politics» in terms of game theory, it is «news» in terms of occasion, and can claim some right to be here for its share of intellectual interest in the dynamics involved.
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#20One side is trying to minimise civilian causalities, and is failing to completely achieve that. The other side is trying to maximise civilian causalities, and is failing to completely achieve that. I'll let you choose which you think has the moral high ground. Use the up vote button if you think minimisation is good, and down vote if you think maximisation is good.
This logic only works if in your mind hamas = palestine