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Driverless car users will not be prosecuted for fatal crashes in UK

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Re: Driverless car users will not be prosecuted for fatal crashes in UK

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Post by jakeogh »

gruez wrote: post #10
jakeogh wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They chose to use a machine, ignoring personal responsibility to control it, killing someone because they bought into marketing hype.

But if you get into an uber and it kills someone that's fine? Why does putting an overworked and easily distracted human in control absolve you of consequences more than putting an occasionally broken ai?

Your assumption that 'AI' can replace a human in this context is wrong. I realize most people have grown up with a relentless anthropomorphization of computers, so I understand why one might make it.

Despite the hype, they don't work, and aren't going to any time soon.

The FPGA link here is an interesting window into why: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37552365 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33402603

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Post by fargle »

this is exactly why we're never getting full self-driving cars, whether or not they are actually safer. no manufacturer is going to take on strict liability for 100,000's of auto-driving cars let loose in the hands of legally immune "operator"/customers.

but what's the point of even having self-driving cars if you the user are still on the hook for some hallucination or oversight of the product of that manufacturer? you would never cede full control in this case. and why pay $10K, $20K extra for the privilege of something you can't use?

exactly. there's no point.

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Post by valdiorn »

multjoy wrote: post #7
falalalala wrote: post #2

Tldr: the little guys will be pitted against megacorps with infinite money to assert their rights in a court of law.

It'll be the insurance megacorps vs the automotive megacorps. There's no suggestion that the obligation to maintain 3rd party insurance will disappear.

Fatal crashes are prosecuted by District attorneys / Crown prosecution services, not insurance companies (which would cover property damage)

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Post by timthorn »

fargle wrote: post #12

this is exactly why we're never getting full self-driving cars, whether or not they are actually safer. no manufacturer is going to take on strict liability for 100,000's of auto-driving cars let loose in the hands of legally immune "operator"/customers. but what's the point of even having self-driving cars if you the user are still on the hook for some hallucination or oversight of the product of that manufacturer?…

Insurance companies do. The human driver is only free of liability when the autonomy is activated so the hands of the customer are not so relevant

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Post by zardo »

jakeogh wrote: post #8
dbbk wrote: post #5

I mean, it makes sense. What could you prosecute them for? They have no control.

They chose to use a machine, ignoring personal responsibility to control it, killing someone because they bought into marketing hype.

If an auto maker is running a scam by selling features that don't work, doesn't it make more sense to go after the scammers for the deaths their scam lead to?

Re: Driverless car users will not be prosecuted for fatal crashes in UK

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Post by multjoy »

valdiorn wrote: post #13
multjoy wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It'll be the insurance megacorps vs the automotive megacorps. There's no suggestion that the obligation to maintain 3rd party insurance will disappear.

Fatal crashes are prosecuted by District attorneys / Crown prosecution services, not insurance companies (which would cover property damage)

The criminal matter is, the liability for damages is still going to be thrashed out between insurers.
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