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Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

jwells89 wrote: post #9
tapoxi wrote: post #3

I've been a huge fan of Fedora, and it seems this release does 90% of what I want, but since I'm on a Framework 13 with a weird screen resolution, I once again fall into DPI scaling hell. GNOME locks fractional scaling behind an experimental option, apps like Signal are blurry and apps like Steam just seemingly ignore any attempt to scale properly. For what it's worth KDE seems to handle at least the blurry X scaling…

My ThinkPad similarly needs to run at 150% scale to be usable and I’ve also found that KDE still has issues even if it handles scaling better. The biggest one is that only C++ window decorations draw correctly under Wayland with fractional scaling enabled — the much more common Aurorae themes are blurry looking which is unfortunate, because only a handful of themes are C++ and mostly minor variants of Breeze.

Mine too- I was a bonehead and bought a "3k" display for my w541. I've found that 100% scaling w/ "large text" enabled in accessibility settings strikes a good balance.

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by jwells89 »

jklinger410 wrote: post #8
tapoxi wrote: post #3

I've been a huge fan of Fedora, and it seems this release does 90% of what I want, but since I'm on a Framework 13 with a weird screen resolution, I once again fall into DPI scaling hell. GNOME locks fractional scaling behind an experimental option, apps like Signal are blurry and apps like Steam just seemingly ignore any attempt to scale properly. For what it's worth KDE seems to handle at least the blurry X scaling…

> but since I'm on a Framework 13 with a weird screen resolution Hold up, is this a reason to not buy a Framework?

The problem isn’t just with Framework laptops, an increasing number of x86 laptops are built with odd resolution panels that require fractional scaling. Very few offer panels that are conducive to 2x integer scaling, and while typical lower DPI panels that don’t require scaling are a config option on some models, that often also comes with other major tradeoffs like low brightness or bad color reproduction.

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by [deleted] »

jklinger410 wrote: post #8
tapoxi wrote: post #3

I've been a huge fan of Fedora, and it seems this release does 90% of what I want, but since I'm on a Framework 13 with a weird screen resolution, I once again fall into DPI scaling hell. GNOME locks fractional scaling behind an experimental option, apps like Signal are blurry and apps like Steam just seemingly ignore any attempt to scale properly. For what it's worth KDE seems to handle at least the blurry X scaling…

> but since I'm on a Framework 13 with a weird screen resolution Hold up, is this a reason to not buy a Framework?

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Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by tapoxi »

jklinger410 wrote: post #8
tapoxi wrote: post #3

I've been a huge fan of Fedora, and it seems this release does 90% of what I want, but since I'm on a Framework 13 with a weird screen resolution, I once again fall into DPI scaling hell. GNOME locks fractional scaling behind an experimental option, apps like Signal are blurry and apps like Steam just seemingly ignore any attempt to scale properly. For what it's worth KDE seems to handle at least the blurry X scaling…

> but since I'm on a Framework 13 with a weird screen resolution Hold up, is this a reason to not buy a Framework?

It's 2256x1504 and 3:2. It's a nice screen, but it's one that absolutely works best at 1.5x scale since 1 is unreadable and 2 wastes plenty of screen real estate.

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by tantony »

tapoxi wrote: post #3

I've been a huge fan of Fedora, and it seems this release does 90% of what I want, but since I'm on a Framework 13 with a weird screen resolution, I once again fall into DPI scaling hell. GNOME locks fractional scaling behind an experimental option, apps like Signal are blurry and apps like Steam just seemingly ignore any attempt to scale properly. For what it's worth KDE seems to handle at least the blurry X scaling…

I bought a Framework 13 when it first came out, with exactly this hope. I gave up after about one month of madness and ordered an M1 Max Macbook Pro. I also installed Windows on the Framework with WSL. Now it gets used very rarely (like for when I want to do Windows development, or for my parents to use when they visit) and mostly sits around gathering dust.

Desktop linux has burned me one too many times for me to trust it again.

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by candiddevmike »

wheelerof4te wrote: post #7
habibur wrote: post #2

Thanks to the team. Had been waiting for it. Release was delayed several times to fix bugs related to RaspberryPi.

At this point, they should just focus on the x86_64.

Why do you say that? ARM usage is surging, especially on the hobby side which Fedora has seen a lot of use.

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by scblock »

jklinger410 wrote: post #8
tapoxi wrote: post #3

I've been a huge fan of Fedora, and it seems this release does 90% of what I want, but since I'm on a Framework 13 with a weird screen resolution, I once again fall into DPI scaling hell. GNOME locks fractional scaling behind an experimental option, apps like Signal are blurry and apps like Steam just seemingly ignore any attempt to scale properly. For what it's worth KDE seems to handle at least the blurry X scaling…

> but since I'm on a Framework 13 with a weird screen resolution Hold up, is this a reason to not buy a Framework?

No, though Gnome really isn't set up for it. Or being useful, really. But on my Framework 13 with KDE I have no issues. I prefer 1.25x when standalone and 1.5x when docked and used as a second screen (it's farther away) and KDE works fine with both and switches automatically. I don't even think about it, and can't think of anything I personally use that still gives me the blurry window in xwayland issue.

The real trouble is this idiotic concept of "scale" in the first place as if ancient assumptions about pixel density cannot change. It's nothing to draw vector elements or fonts larger, and it's next to nothing to have more than one size of display element (tiny) users could select from.

The only way to make Gnome usable is to use the accessability options

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by cantours »

tapoxi wrote: post #3

I've been a huge fan of Fedora, and it seems this release does 90% of what I want, but since I'm on a Framework 13 with a weird screen resolution, I once again fall into DPI scaling hell. GNOME locks fractional scaling behind an experimental option, apps like Signal are blurry and apps like Steam just seemingly ignore any attempt to scale properly. For what it's worth KDE seems to handle at least the blurry X scaling…

Why isn't fractional scaling supported from day 1? I mean if you're going to do dpi scaling in the first place, why in the world would you restrict it to whole numbers only? Is it some insane hardcoded hack or something?

Scaling with changing dpi is the easiest thing in the world. Anyone who has written a program with some kind of 'zoom' feature (be it a game, image editor, image viewer, etc) knows how easy it is.

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by brightball »

tantony wrote: post #15
tapoxi wrote: post #3

I've been a huge fan of Fedora, and it seems this release does 90% of what I want, but since I'm on a Framework 13 with a weird screen resolution, I once again fall into DPI scaling hell. GNOME locks fractional scaling behind an experimental option, apps like Signal are blurry and apps like Steam just seemingly ignore any attempt to scale properly. For what it's worth KDE seems to handle at least the blurry X scaling…

I bought a Framework 13 when it first came out, with exactly this hope. I gave up after about one month of madness and ordered an M1 Max Macbook Pro. I also installed Windows on the Framework with WSL. Now it gets used very rarely (like for when I want to do Windows development, or for my parents to use when they visit) and mostly sits around gathering dust. Desktop linux has burned me one too many times for me to tr…

I've run almost exclusively Linux for the past 7ish years. First with Dell and then System76. It's been an overall very smooth experience.

I decided I wanted to get a machine with a powerful video card recently, so now I'm running an Alienware with Windows for the first time since 2005 on my primary monitor and my Linux machine on a side monitor. The only real win for Windows is that it remembers my audio/video settings with a lot of peripherals plugged in. Linux seemed to forget every few hours and Zoom meetings were a nightmare. If WSL was more consistent it would get a stronger vote, but there are weird experiences in there.

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by tmtvl »

tapoxi wrote: post #14
jklinger410 wrote: post #8

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> but since I'm on a Framework 13 with a weird screen resolution Hold up, is this a reason to not buy a Framework?

It's 2256x1504 and 3:2. It's a nice screen, but it's one that absolutely works best at 1.5x scale since 1 is unreadable and 2 wastes plenty of screen real estate.

As an idiot who's never used a screen with more than 1080p resolution, is there a reason why just increasing font size doesn't work?
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