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Can I remove my personal data from GenAI training datasets?

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Re: Can I remove my personal data from GenAI training datasets?

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Post by pixl97 »

thelittleone wrote: post #7
graphe wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are zero incentives for them to comply and zero ways a person can make them accountable. If your SSN can be leaked and nothing will happen why would they care about scrappable pictures? The only times they care are when it can cost them money. SD didn't care about visual artists but could not do the same for generative music since the rights are managed by deep pockets.

AI might lead to more paywalled sites which would suck.

Depends, will it reduce the number of ad driven sites? Could be a good thing.

Re: Can I remove my personal data from GenAI training datasets?

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Post by pixl97 »

Retric wrote: post #9
dr_dshiv wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The complete lack of power or ownership of your work. Do you think anyone consented to have AI companies scrap GitHub etc?

Eh, you borrowed from society to create 'your work' and now you want to lock it up like you've created it wholly.

Re: Can I remove my personal data from GenAI training datasets?

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Post by bmitc »

dr_dshiv wrote: post #5
bmitc wrote: post #2

In general, we need a data bill of rights. Corporations are enslaving us digitally, and I feel it's reaching a boiling point.

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I didn't say anything remotely close to what you're implying. What a ridiculous statement. I used the word enslave and used it correctly in this context.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/enslave

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slavery

a situation or practice in which people are entrapped (as by debt) and exploited; submission to a dominating influence

From Oxford Dictionary: cause (someone) to lose their freedom of choice or action

Re: Can I remove my personal data from GenAI training datasets?

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Post by soulofmischief »

jprete wrote: post #10

The article weasels out at the end by claiming that companies “may be unable to comply” with requirements to delete personal data. It’s easy to comply - if there’s no other choice then you delete the model and all backups and derivative data that was trained in flagrant violation of the law.

Which law is that?

Re: Can I remove my personal data from GenAI training datasets?

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Post by happytiger »

bmitc wrote: post #2

In general, we need a data bill of rights. Corporations are enslaving us digitally, and I feel it's reaching a boiling point.

I just finished getting downvoted in another thread for writing these very words. Couldn’t agree more.

Re: Can I remove my personal data from GenAI training datasets?

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Post by soulofmischief »

Retric wrote: post #9
dr_dshiv wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The complete lack of power or ownership of your work. Do you think anyone consented to have AI companies scrap GitHub etc?

They consented if the data was public. Opt-out scanning practices is a whole other beast.

But unfortunately, unless you challenge the ToS in court, you consented the moment you didn't delete all of your data after the policy update. Is that fucked? Sure, and maybe we need regulation around that, but in the face of current legislation, consent was granted.

Re: Can I remove my personal data from GenAI training datasets?

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Post by happytiger »

graphe wrote: post #4
bmitc wrote: post #2

In general, we need a data bill of rights. Corporations are enslaving us digitally, and I feel it's reaching a boiling point.

There are zero incentives for them to comply and zero ways a person can make them accountable. If your SSN can be leaked and nothing will happen why would they care about scrappable pictures? The only times they care are when it can cost them money. SD didn't care about visual artists but could not do the same for generative music since the rights are managed by deep pockets.

Frankly, and not directed personally, but that’s not really true.

Government can make the incentive — and has. Legislation can put the teeth in societal goods like this even if financial incentives don’t.

California has done exactly this with their right to be deleted law.

https://www.foley.com/en/insights/publications/2023/10/calif....

Re: Can I remove my personal data from GenAI training datasets?

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Post by john-radio »

soulofmischief wrote: post #14
jprete wrote: post #10

The article weasels out at the end by claiming that companies “may be unable to comply” with requirements to delete personal data. It’s easy to comply - if there’s no other choice then you delete the model and all backups and derivative data that was trained in flagrant violation of the law.

Which law is that?

The post that you're responding to doesn't make any claim about the law; it expresses that the defense that an AI company might be "unable to comply" with a command to remove user data is not an honest one.

Re: Can I remove my personal data from GenAI training datasets?

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Post by soulofmischief »

john-radio wrote: post #18
soulofmischief wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which law is that?

The post that you're responding to doesn't make any claim about the law; it expresses that the defense that an AI company might be "unable to comply" with a command to remove user data is not an honest one.

"flagrant violation of the law" heavily implies that OP has some strong feelings around this, and I want to know what law they think is potentially being flagrantly violated.

Re: Can I remove my personal data from GenAI training datasets?

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Post by jprete »

soulofmischief wrote: post #16
Retric wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The complete lack of power or ownership of your work. Do you think anyone consented to have AI companies scrap GitHub etc?

They consented if the data was public. Opt-out scanning practices is a whole other beast. But unfortunately, unless you challenge the ToS in court, you consented the moment you didn't delete all of your data after the policy update. Is that fucked? Sure, and maybe we need regulation around that, but in the face of current legislation, consent was granted.

Failing to actively say "no" is not the same thing as saying "yes". If your point is that the law means nothing unless someone is willing to file lawsuits, your point is taken.
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