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If someone gives less money to women, -because they are women- it's sexism. How giving money to women -because they are women- isn't sexism? A more honest approach would be to hire the most qualified person, regardless of your current male/female ratio.
I think it's great to look into why your organization doesn't have more women represented across its divisions. I even think outreach in the form of awareness about this 'problem' is great. I dislike the implicit message being sent by offering money specifically to women to go into engineering/computer science. At best it says, we know you know that engineering is not a field your interested in because your a woman w…
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Consider the possibility that one of the things that encourages women to enter the field is the lack of women in the field.
Have you talked to many women about this?
I think it's great to look into why your organization doesn't have more women represented across its divisions. I even think outreach in the form of awareness about this 'problem' is great. I dislike the implicit message being sent by offering money specifically to women to go into engineering/computer science. At best it says, we know you know that engineering is not a field your interested in because your a woman w…
I think it's interesting how you assume you know what a woman thinks coming from a man. Have you asked women you know about their opinions about a Computer Science degree?
All the women I've asked about whether they'd get a CS degree ( if they weren't already ) said that there were much better opportunities available to them, and that they chose not to pursue CS because the barrier to entry was higher for them than other more lucrative careers in finance, medicine and law ( this was almost always not an extrinsic barrier but intrinsic, 'why would I want to sit by myself and code all day for someone else, when I can trade stocks/bonds for myself?'; and other such comments about the inherent abstraction of CS ). My friends did not look at CS as liberating in what they could do, but limiting in how they could do it. And of course the women I asked who were already in CS were there for intrinsic reasons as well. I also don't see how my limited interactions are a good metric to apply to all women, but nevertheless.
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I think it's interesting how you assume you know what a woman thinks coming from a man. Have you asked women you know about their opinions about a Computer Science degree?
I don't assume to know what anyone thinks regardless of whether they are a man or a woman. I do know that belittling people and playing 'white man's burden' on them makes them feel disadvantaged and marginalized. I see that behavior coming through here; good intentions, bad secondary consequences. All the women I've asked about whether they'd get a CS degree ( if they weren't already ) said that there were much bette…
If someone gives less money to women, -because they are women- it's sexism. How giving money to women -because they are women- isn't sexism? A more honest approach would be to hire the most qualified person, regardless of your current male/female ratio.
A scholarship or grant is not the same as salary. Do you think college scholarships based on gender or race are sexist or racist?
Scholarships based purely on the persons gender or race is by definition sexist/racist... it discriminates who gets it solely on the fact that the person was born a certain race or gender.
That being said, the motivation for such scholarships are because the entity investing that money believes an inbalance already exists in the opposite direction, so they hope to balance the scales.
The hard question is whether doing the same thing (biasing support based on gender/race) on the opposite side of the spectrum is really helping the situation.
If someone gives less money to women, -because they are women- it's sexism. How giving money to women -because they are women- isn't sexism? A more honest approach would be to hire the most qualified person, regardless of your current male/female ratio.
It's compensative sexism.
Let's call a spade a spade.
If someone gives less money to women, -because they are women- it's sexism. How giving money to women -because they are women- isn't sexism? A more honest approach would be to hire the most qualified person, regardless of your current male/female ratio.
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A scholarship or grant is not the same as salary. Do you think college scholarships based on gender or race are sexist or racist?
Scholarships based on need or because the person comes from a poor socioeconomic background helps build equality by helping remove an inherent barrier/bias. Scholarships based purely on the persons gender or race is by definition sexist/racist... it discriminates who gets it solely on the fact that the person was born a certain race or gender. That being said, the motivation for such scholarships are because the enti…
Grants based on gender attempting to correct an imbalance are not sexist. Classifying them as such is ignoring the greater context: a severe lack of that gender in that field. It also diminishes examples of actual sexism.
I'm not sure why you think scholarships based on gender are sexist but scholarships based on socioeconomic background are fine. There exists a very real bias against women in the tech industry.
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Consider the possibility that one of the things that discourages women from entering the field is the lack of women in the field.
Consider the possibility that one of the things that encourages women to enter the field is the lack of women in the field.