What about all these porn stars who have sex while driving Tesla. They should definitely be guilty of dangerous driving.
edit: link to the article about it https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7015229/Elon-Musk-r...
Tesla owner who drove with 'arms folded' cleared of dangerous driving
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Re: Tesla owner who drove with 'arms folded' cleared of dangerous driving
#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
I guess until all autonomous vehicles are fully equipped with real sensors (likely both lidar and radar) so that cars can almost-mechanically stop before foreseeable collisions without worrying about AI hiccups. This is technically possible even now, but it's way too expensive for now.
Unless a lot of money is paid out in campaign contributions, I suspect you're right. I'm worried about a time when the _statistical_ safety of AI driving is better than humans across the board, but there are horrifying correlations between AI induced accidents, like "Children on tricycles are not well recognized" or "slight fog in Seattle induces 150 car pileup". Or, AI causes worse accidents less frequently than hum…
A lot more minor injuries? You are aware that over 100 people are killed in cars every single day in the US alone right?
Re: Tesla owner who drove with 'arms folded' cleared of dangerous driving
#13> Asked if the unexpected happened, would he be able to react as quickly as a person with their hands on the steering wheel, he said “I would be unsure of that.”
> Judge Hughes asked if he accepted it would be better to have two hands on the wheel to take control of the vehicle, and he answered: “Probably yes”.
If these were candid responses, rather than coached with lawyer, sounds like a real engineer.
And the interaction with the judge sounds civilized and good faith, in both directions.
(Not that I approve of Tesla's autonomous driving tech when other people's lives are at risk, nor with having hands off wheel even if somehow monitoring diligently; just commenting on this judicial interaction.)
Re: Tesla owner who drove with 'arms folded' cleared of dangerous driving
#14Don't you have to defeat a safety interlock to allow hands off the wheel driving in a Tesla?
You have to nudge the wheel every 30s or so, and respond to audible prompts to "wiggle" the wheel or steering control will be disabled for the rest of the drive.
I think its by distance. On the freeway its more "whiny" for you to wiggle wheel.
Re: Tesla owner who drove with 'arms folded' cleared of dangerous driving
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
I guess until all autonomous vehicles are fully equipped with real sensors (likely both lidar and radar) so that cars can almost-mechanically stop before foreseeable collisions without worrying about AI hiccups. This is technically possible even now, but it's way too expensive for now.
Why should lidar be a requirement when that's not a requirement for humans to be able to drive? The goal is to reduce traffic fatalities, humans are not reliable, if you say we can't have automation until its 100% perfect, then you are actively choosing to have more traffic fatalities.
Depends, is Tesla currently as good as Waymo? I don't think the OP was arguing for perfection, i think they were recognizing the current state of everything. Our ability to make AI as good as human with as limited sensors as humans is not great, currently. Throw in more sensors though, and you can offset deficiencies in human-visible-only AI detection.
To me, more sensors means faster implementation. Quicker to get on roads. Less total deaths. At least in theory, and in what successes i'm seeing.
Re: Tesla owner who drove with 'arms folded' cleared of dangerous driving
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unless a lot of money is paid out in campaign contributions, I suspect you're right. I'm worried about a time when the _statistical_ safety of AI driving is better than humans across the board, but there are horrifying correlations between AI induced accidents, like "Children on tricycles are not well recognized" or "slight fog in Seattle induces 150 car pileup". Or, AI causes worse accidents less frequently than hum…
A lot more minor injuries? You are aware that over 100 people are killed in cars every single day in the US alone right?
TBH, that stat seems low.
Re: Tesla owner who drove with 'arms folded' cleared of dangerous driving
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
I guess until all autonomous vehicles are fully equipped with real sensors (likely both lidar and radar) so that cars can almost-mechanically stop before foreseeable collisions without worrying about AI hiccups. This is technically possible even now, but it's way too expensive for now.
Why should lidar be a requirement when that's not a requirement for humans to be able to drive? The goal is to reduce traffic fatalities, humans are not reliable, if you say we can't have automation until its 100% perfect, then you are actively choosing to have more traffic fatalities.
What else are you planning to use to scan the environment? Why should we not require multiple instruments?
Re: Tesla owner who drove with 'arms folded' cleared of dangerous driving
#18Waymo claims to already have a better record than human drivers. How long before we read a similar case where a driver is accused of creating unsafe conditions by taking control of the car?
A while, there's only one car maker selling one car to the general public right now who's taking legal liability for crashes while their system is active.
That Mercedes-Benz system is a glorified adaptive cruise control and has several limitations that Tesla autopilot does not have.
> There must be a vehicle in front of your car, reasonable road conditions with readable markings and lines, and clear weather and light conditions. Drive Pilot can’t be used at night or in the rain, and the headlights and wipers must be set to auto for it to work.
> It’s also only available on freeways that have been mapped by Mercedes, with GPS positioning that is precise to the centimeter and even accounts for continental drift. Drive Pilot can’t be used in construction zones.
Re: Tesla owner who drove with 'arms folded' cleared of dangerous driving
#19What about all these porn stars who have sex while driving Tesla. They should definitely be guilty of dangerous driving. edit: link to the article about it https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7015229/Elon-Musk-r...
I haven't seen any of the videos. I'd assume that there's some creative use of a camera to give the illusion that no one is behind the wheel.
After all, in the the "two girls one cup" video the girls eat chocolate ice cream. There was a camera cut between filling the cone (with something that is not ice cream) and the girls eating from the cone. It's clear that in the cut when the girls are eating from the cone, the brown runny soft soft substance is chocolate ice cream. Your imagination fills in that it was the "not ice cream" from the first shot.
Edit: You must have added the link while I wrote the above comment.
Re: Tesla owner who drove with 'arms folded' cleared of dangerous driving
#20For those unfamiliar. The road mostly has four lanes on each side. And speed limit is 100-120km/ph depending on what part you are on.