Tesla threatens to bring in strikebreakers as Swedish workers strike • Hacker News Board

Re: Tesla threatens to bring in strikebreakers as Swedish workers strike

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Post by masklinn » Fri, Oct 27, 2023, 9:50 AM UTC

anovikov wrote: post #9

maxehmookau wrote: post #3

This kind of nonsense doesn't play well in Europe. Nor should it. > The company is refusing to sign one, IF Metall has reported, saying that company claims that it doesn't sign collective bargaining agreements anywhere in the world. Welcome to Europe, Elon.

Well he may simply fire all locals and bring in all-foreign staff. What will stop him? Salaries Tesla pay are sufficient for Blue Card or similar permit.

> Well he may simply fire all locals and bring in all-foreign staff. What will stop him?

Other unions blackballing Tesla, and getting it fired as a customer. Good luck building cars when you can’t buy parts, or electricity.

That would also have a high chance of escalating the issue from a labor dispute to a legal and political concern.

Re: Tesla threatens to bring in strikebreakers as Swedish workers strike

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Post by 45634e36 » Fri, Oct 27, 2023, 9:51 AM UTC

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Re: Tesla threatens to bring in strikebreakers as Swedish workers strike

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Post by slaw » Fri, Oct 27, 2023, 9:52 AM UTC

Bring it on. Let's union workers compete with non union workers.

Re: Tesla threatens to bring in strikebreakers as Swedish workers strike

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Post by will5421 » Fri, Oct 27, 2023, 9:52 AM UTC

StevenWaterman wrote: post #5

From a previous discussion: https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/2021/09/21/when-mcdonal...

“Truckers refused to deliver food and beer to McDonalds.“ Beer?

Re: Tesla threatens to bring in strikebreakers as Swedish workers strike

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Post by oblio » Fri, Oct 27, 2023, 9:53 AM UTC

anovikov wrote: post #9

maxehmookau wrote: post #3

This kind of nonsense doesn't play well in Europe. Nor should it. > The company is refusing to sign one, IF Metall has reported, saying that company claims that it doesn't sign collective bargaining agreements anywhere in the world. Welcome to Europe, Elon.

Well he may simply fire all locals and bring in all-foreign staff. What will stop him? Salaries Tesla pay are sufficient for Blue Card or similar permit.

This kind of thing would ring all alarm bells at all political levels, though.

I doubt any Swedish political party could stay in power if moves like these are allowed.

Re: Tesla threatens to bring in strikebreakers as Swedish workers strike

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Post by einpoklum » Fri, Oct 27, 2023, 9:54 AM UTC

anovikov wrote: post #9

maxehmookau wrote: post #3

This kind of nonsense doesn't play well in Europe. Nor should it. > The company is refusing to sign one, IF Metall has reported, saying that company claims that it doesn't sign collective bargaining agreements anywhere in the world. Welcome to Europe, Elon.

Well he may simply fire all locals and bring in all-foreign staff. What will stop him? Salaries Tesla pay are sufficient for Blue Card or similar permit.

Well, if that is even legal in Sweden (I'm not sure) - the striking workers could _physically_ stop this. And then there would be the question of the statutory limitations on Swedish state involvement in labor disputes.

(And the union could also get in touch with such hires and explaining the situation to them, which is also likely to be somewhat effective in deterring this sort of scabbing.)

Re: Tesla threatens to bring in strikebreakers as Swedish workers strike

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Post by tibbydudeza » Fri, Oct 27, 2023, 9:55 AM UTC

Elon acting like a true South African born in the 80's. Niemand gaan my fokken vertel nie :). Die Blerrie Commies.

Translation - Nobody is going to tell me how to do things. Esp Bloody Socialists.

Re: Tesla threatens to bring in strikebreakers as Swedish workers strike

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Post by StevenWaterman » Fri, Oct 27, 2023, 9:55 AM UTC

will5421 wrote: post #14

StevenWaterman wrote: post #5

From a previous discussion: https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/2021/09/21/when-mcdonal...

“Truckers refused to deliver food and beer to McDonalds.“ Beer?

Welcome to europe, would you like sprite or beer?

Re: Tesla threatens to bring in strikebreakers as Swedish workers strike

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Post by bogantech » Fri, Oct 27, 2023, 9:55 AM UTC

anovikov wrote: post #9

maxehmookau wrote: post #3

This kind of nonsense doesn't play well in Europe. Nor should it. > The company is refusing to sign one, IF Metall has reported, saying that company claims that it doesn't sign collective bargaining agreements anywhere in the world. Welcome to Europe, Elon.

Well he may simply fire all locals and bring in all-foreign staff. What will stop him? Salaries Tesla pay are sufficient for Blue Card or similar permit.

> What will stop him?

Migrationsverket - who get off on deporting foreign skilled workers at any opportunity.

Seriously they will deport people for minor administrative mistakes made by the employer even if it was years ago and has been remediated.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/freylindsay/2019/02/13/why-swed...

Re: Tesla threatens to bring in strikebreakers as Swedish workers strike

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Post by PedroBatista » Fri, Oct 27, 2023, 9:56 AM UTC

anovikov wrote: post #9

maxehmookau wrote: post #3

This kind of nonsense doesn't play well in Europe. Nor should it. > The company is refusing to sign one, IF Metall has reported, saying that company claims that it doesn't sign collective bargaining agreements anywhere in the world. Welcome to Europe, Elon.

Well he may simply fire all locals and bring in all-foreign staff. What will stop him? Salaries Tesla pay are sufficient for Blue Card or similar permit.

Your comment would be a nice Twitter meme.

In a post-Trump era it almost makes perfect sense, but the world doesn’t work according to the internal talk inside a MBA’s head ( yet ). In other words, just go to the location and make your theory work, I’ll wait..