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We have decided to pause driverless operations across all of our fleets

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Re: We have decided to pause driverless operations across all of our fleets

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Post by gurchik »

cj wrote: post #5

Cruise, taking the high road to build public trust. For now. I respect that. Edit: yeah, I get they don’t have a perfect track record. But most tech companies don’t stop even when faced with issues like Cruise. Getting their cars off the road entirely is a major acknowledgment that their tech needs improvement, which is something I never expected from cruise.

They're not taking the high road, they got caught lying and were banned from a state where a third of their vehicles operate[1]. Call me a cynic but I think the time to demonstrate you're "relentlessly focused on safety" is before you're caught red handed.

1: It looks like they have 150 vehicles in San Francisco out of 400 vehicles total nationwide.

Re: We have decided to pause driverless operations across all of our fleets

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Post by xnx »

This is a good move on Cruise's part. Cruise is still nowhere near the maturity level that Waymo was at when Waymo first started driving on public roads.

On the other hand, we definitely need a real competitor to Waymo. It doesn't seem likely, but hopefully some combination of Cruise, Apple(?), Tesla, or another player will be able to have a feasible alternative to Waymo's Driver.

Re: We have decided to pause driverless operations across all of our fleets

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Post by ShamelessC »

cj wrote: post #5

Cruise, taking the high road to build public trust. For now. I respect that. Edit: yeah, I get they don’t have a perfect track record. But most tech companies don’t stop even when faced with issues like Cruise. Getting their cars off the road entirely is a major acknowledgment that their tech needs improvement, which is something I never expected from cruise.

I hope you're right, but I doubt it personally.

Re: We have decided to pause driverless operations across all of our fleets

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Post by enraged_camel »

cj wrote: post #5

Cruise, taking the high road to build public trust. For now. I respect that. Edit: yeah, I get they don’t have a perfect track record. But most tech companies don’t stop even when faced with issues like Cruise. Getting their cars off the road entirely is a major acknowledgment that their tech needs improvement, which is something I never expected from cruise.

Nope. They lied to the DMV and withheld footage.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/4a3ba3/california-dmv-suspen...

>> The day after the incident, DMV representatives met with Cruise to “discuss the incident.” During that meeting, Cruise only showed footage up to the first complete stop, according to the Order of Suspension. No one at Cruise told the officers or showed any footage of the subsequent pullover maneuver and dragging. The DMV only learned of that from “another government agency.” When DMV asked for footage of that part of the incident, Cruise provided it.

Re: We have decided to pause driverless operations across all of our fleets

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Post by ceejayoz »

k2xl wrote: post #6

Context: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/10/california-suspe...

Extra context: https://techcrunch.com/2023/10/24/dmv-immediately-suspends-c...

> “During the meeting, the department was shown video footage of the accident captured by the AV’s onboard cameras. The video footage present to the department ended with the AV’s initial stop following the hard-braking maneuver. Footage of the subsequent movement of the AV to perform a pullover maneuver was not shown to the department and Cruise did not disclose that any additional movement of the vehicle had occurred after the initial stop of the vehicle. The department only learned of the AV’s subsequent movement via discussion with another government agency. The department requested Cruise provide a copy of the video with the additional footage, which was received by the department on October 13, 2023.”

As is often the case, it's the cover-up that gets you in the real trouble.

Re: We have decided to pause driverless operations across all of our fleets

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Post by ShamelessC »

xnx wrote: post #12

This is a good move on Cruise's part. Cruise is still nowhere near the maturity level that Waymo was at when Waymo first started driving on public roads. On the other hand, we definitely need a real competitor to Waymo. It doesn't seem likely, but hopefully some combination of Cruise, Apple(?), Tesla, or another player will be able to have a feasible alternative to Waymo's Driver.

As someone who doesn't live in silicon valley or in any major cities, it's always strange to see HN users talk about these companies as though they already have widespread recognition. I've never seen a car once in my life, and if I did I would probably be fairly cautious around it. I imagine a large portion of Americans would feel similarly.

Re: We have decided to pause driverless operations across all of our fleets

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Post by polalavik »

xnx wrote: post #12

This is a good move on Cruise's part. Cruise is still nowhere near the maturity level that Waymo was at when Waymo first started driving on public roads. On the other hand, we definitely need a real competitor to Waymo. It doesn't seem likely, but hopefully some combination of Cruise, Apple(?), Tesla, or another player will be able to have a feasible alternative to Waymo's Driver.

Out of all the tech problems to solve, driverless cars or driverless taxis has always baffled me. It’s a very complex thing to solve with a zillion edge cases. And for what net gain? What incredible inconvenience are we trying to solve? Lack of good public transit? Let’s solve that instead.

Millions of cars driverless or not are not a great solution to anything.

Re: We have decided to pause driverless operations across all of our fleets

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Post by Semaphor »

ShamelessC wrote: post #16
xnx wrote: post #12

This is a good move on Cruise's part. Cruise is still nowhere near the maturity level that Waymo was at when Waymo first started driving on public roads. On the other hand, we definitely need a real competitor to Waymo. It doesn't seem likely, but hopefully some combination of Cruise, Apple(?), Tesla, or another player will be able to have a feasible alternative to Waymo's Driver.

As someone who doesn't live in silicon valley or in any major cities, it's always strange to see HN users talk about these companies as though they already have widespread recognition. I've never seen a car once in my life, and if I did I would probably be fairly cautious around it. I imagine a large portion of Americans would feel similarly.

> I've never seen a car once in my life

Your forgotten word makes this comment seem like it’s from the early 1800s ;)

That said, as a German, I expect to see driverless cars in 2030 the earliest ;)

Re: We have decided to pause driverless operations across all of our fleets

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Post by lopkeny12ko »

What I find interesting is that this "press release" reads like a response to an exposé of a toxic internal company culture. But as far as I can tell, this was just a technology failure. It's not very clear to me why they need to "examine their processes" and "take a hard look inwards at how they do work" in order to rectify what was basically a software bug.
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