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AI-created child sexual abuse images 'threaten to overwhelm internet'

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Post by api »

watnwynhowtf wrote: post #7
pimpampum wrote: post #2

Wouldn't this be a way to satisfy a hideous market without producing new victims? I think the issue is the abuse not the pictures or the consumption of them.

the issue is normalization in a polarized society, with rising addiction rates and emerging long-term consequences of a diverse range of meds n stuff, psychedelics entering the mass-markets all while air-, water- and food-quality is declining and one crisis hitting the next with corporations exploiting them all for massive gains that give the pervs in top 13 % the feeling that they are superior and can fuck any child…

Child (and adult) sex abuse is sickeningly common and pervs with enough money to pay hush money and good lawyers get away with it all the time. I don’t think they need any extra encouragement.

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Post by watnwynhowtf »

api wrote: post #11
watnwynhowtf wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the issue is normalization in a polarized society, with rising addiction rates and emerging long-term consequences of a diverse range of meds n stuff, psychedelics entering the mass-markets all while air-, water- and food-quality is declining and one crisis hitting the next with corporations exploiting them all for massive gains that give the pervs in top 13 % the feeling that they are superior and can fuck any child…

Child (and adult) sex abuse is sickeningly common and pervs with enough money to pay hush money and good lawyers get away with it all the time. I don’t think they need any extra encouragement.

I agree, but those who "needed" or "were waiting" for a little nudge, are getting more and more of those now and in the near future

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Post by api »

jjgreen wrote: post #6
mikecoles wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A concern is the availability will drive people to seek more dangerous behavior.

Drawings, novels and films about Heroin may drive people to seek Heroin (which is illegal), so ban Trainspotting .

They probably do for a small percentage of people, but we value free speech enough that we are willing to trade that.

There’s a huge difference though. If someone listens to 90s industrial music or watches Trainspotting and shoots smack, they are harming themselves. You can’t indulge pedophilia IRL without harming someone else.

Incitement to harming others is an area where we do sometimes draw a line with speech. So I think you could argue that child porn, even if fake, is direct incitement to violence. That would put it in the same category as calls to murder Muslims or Jews, etc.

The same argument could be made about rape porn though, even if it’s fake or simulated with actors. Personally I think that anything we do conclude about CSAM should in fact apply to rape porn, revenge porn, and other porn depicting nonconsensual abuse.

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Post by watnwynhowtf »

jjgreen wrote: post #6
mikecoles wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A concern is the availability will drive people to seek more dangerous behavior.

Drawings, novels and films about Heroin may drive people to seek Heroin (which is illegal), so ban Trainspotting .

there's no need to talk about banning stuff. the root is not existence. the root is whether those who are at the top or above people give reasons and ways to justify actions that are obviously and unarguably wrong, immoral, unethical and go against humanity, civilization, individuals.

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Post by jjgreen »

api wrote: post #13
jjgreen wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Drawings, novels and films about Heroin may drive people to seek Heroin (which is illegal), so ban Trainspotting .

They probably do for a small percentage of people, but we value free speech enough that we are willing to trade that. There’s a huge difference though. If someone listens to 90s industrial music or watches Trainspotting and shoots smack, they are harming themselves. You can’t indulge pedophilia IRL without harming someone else. Incitement to harming others is an area where we do sometimes draw a line with speech. So…

Drawings, novels and films about gunning people down may drive people to seek to gun people down (which is illegal), so ban, er, the whole of American culture.

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Post by api »

jjgreen wrote: post #15
api wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They probably do for a small percentage of people, but we value free speech enough that we are willing to trade that. There’s a huge difference though. If someone listens to 90s industrial music or watches Trainspotting and shoots smack, they are harming themselves. You can’t indulge pedophilia IRL without harming someone else. Incitement to harming others is an area where we do sometimes draw a line with speech. So…

Drawings, novels and films about gunning people down may drive people to seek to gun people down (which is illegal), so ban, er, the whole of American culture.

Good point. I was just expanding the reasoning, but yes that is surely where it goes.

So maybe we do have to tolerate fake CSAM if we tolerate an endless parade of incredibly violent war propaganda films, not to mention hate speech that goes as far as to call for persecution and violence.

My late uncle was a psychologist and always argued that our glorification of violence was far worse than almost anything in porn.

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Post by superchroma »

mikecoles wrote: post #3
pimpampum wrote: post #2

Wouldn't this be a way to satisfy a hideous market without producing new victims? I think the issue is the abuse not the pictures or the consumption of them.

A concern is the availability will drive people to seek more dangerous behavior.

If we accept the premise of the slippery slope, then we must re-examine depictions of crime, abuse and violence in cinema and videogames also. You are proposing that human sexual preferences are vulnerable to suggestion and that humans cannot mentally partition fantasy from reality. That is a profound claim.

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Post by makingstuffs »

pimpampum wrote: post #2

Wouldn't this be a way to satisfy a hideous market without producing new victims? I think the issue is the abuse not the pictures or the consumption of them.

While agree with your sentiment and logic in it’s entirety I guess a difficult pill to swallow would be the fact that someone would ultimately be making money from images, albeit fake, of child abuse.

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Post by [deleted] »

makingstuffs wrote: post #18
pimpampum wrote: post #2

Wouldn't this be a way to satisfy a hideous market without producing new victims? I think the issue is the abuse not the pictures or the consumption of them.

While agree with your sentiment and logic in it’s entirety I guess a difficult pill to swallow would be the fact that someone would ultimately be making money from images, albeit fake, of child abuse.

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Post by thefz »

pimpampum wrote: post #2

Wouldn't this be a way to satisfy a hideous market without producing new victims? I think the issue is the abuse not the pictures or the consumption of them.

Were you the parent of a kid whose abuse was put on the internet and used as a matrix to generate endless child pornography, would you be happy about that usage of your kid's material?
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