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Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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I wonder if the RPi5 is finally enough for browsing the web and watching media without hiccups. My experience with RPi4 was too sluggish.

Which is kind of silly because a cheap chinese phone of $100 can play media without problems, and it includes a screen.

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But is it still the most attractive SBC at its price point?

You have 3 choices: 1. Raspberry Pi 2. X86 System 3. Barely functioning SOCs with no mainline support and major software issues until eternity.

Yeah. Just go with x86. If you like adventures go with the Raspberry Pi. If all you need is the cheapest CPU, then enjoy messing around with obsolete kernels I guess.

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But is it still the most attractive SBC at its price point?

You have 3 choices: 1. Raspberry Pi 2. X86 System 3. Barely functioning SOCs with no mainline support and major software issues until eternity.

There are so many subtly different smallish x86 systems though that finding one that's cheap, power-efficient, fast, extensible, reasonably quiet and well supported on Linux is pretty difficult. At least to me.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have 3 choices: 1. Raspberry Pi 2. X86 System 3. Barely functioning SOCs with no mainline support and major software issues until eternity.

Yeah. Just go with x86. If you like adventures go with the Raspberry Pi. If all you need is the cheapest CPU, then enjoy messing around with obsolete kernels I guess.

I believe the Pi is also pretty much the only sensible choice for GPIO support on Linux.

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But is it still the most attractive SBC at its price point?

You have 3 choices: 1. Raspberry Pi 2. X86 System 3. Barely functioning SOCs with no mainline support and major software issues until eternity.

> 2. X86 System

A lot of the small/mini/micro form-factor systems (even ~five year old used corporate machines) are almost always the (significantly) better option at the price point. I bought a used Dell SFF system a couple of weeks ago for $119 that runs circles around the Pi in every way (16GB RAM, NVMe, real I/O, real USB, PCIe, six core i5, etc) while idling at 9 watts, which makes little difference in operating cost even in locales with the most expensive electricity in the world - especially as the Pi continues to be more power hungry and often requires a fan. The SFF system is even upgradable to 64GB of DDR4 and has a full length x16 PCIe slot and an additional x4 slot.

This machine does everything in my house, even functioning as a 2.5gb router which is already something the Raspberry Pi could never do. Add on a dozen docker containers, a VM or two, and the gap only widens. I did upgrade the RAM for $40 but the systems it replaced more than make it come out ahead on power and cost. You can still resell a Pi 4 for ~$70.

Perhaps most important - availability. There is no shortage of these systems on eBay and elsewhere (or new), there never has been and there likely never will be.

For many years the Raspberry Pi was a good default "go-to" for many applications but x86_64 has come a long way and at this point I struggle to come up with all but a few bespoke use cases for the Raspberry Pi.

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But is it still the most attractive SBC at its price point?

You have 3 choices: 1. Raspberry Pi 2. X86 System 3. Barely functioning SOCs with no mainline support and major software issues until eternity.

x86 has the best cost/benefit nowadays, especially for server/desktop applications. Just a random example from Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/KAMRUI-Computer-Computers-Business-Re...

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you aren't buying a thousand of them, how much does "price point" really matter to you?

Lots of people buy these on a finite hobby budget.

Is there some missing context here, like "...and they only have ten dollars to spend on hobbies during the entirety of 2023 due to the famine wracking their homeland?"

I mean, when you're talking about things (items in your "finite hobby budget") that cost less than a hundred dollars, why are you going to fuss about the "price point?" I am intrigued by how much this appears to matter to people who comment on Raspberry Pi threads.

Hobbyists spent, at times, thousands or even tens of thousands of dollars on microcomputers in the eighties, and that was real money back then. Even the quaint ZX whatevers that were sold in Europe were, in inflation-adjusted terms, much more expensive than a Pi. Perhaps that's why I find these recurring concerns about how much an inexpensive SBC costs to be a bit baffling, particularly in the case of a hobbiest who is only buying one of them.

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