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The Enhanced Game – Sports, without drug testing

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Re: The Enhanced Game – Sports, without drug testing

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This website ignores the big problem with enhancement medication: the health of participants. A future where there is an incentive to juice up athletes as much as possible is a recipe for disaster.

The participants ignore the health of the participants quite a bit already in many a sport. Let them do what they want, I say.

Re: The Enhanced Game – Sports, without drug testing

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post #4

This website ignores the big problem with enhancement medication: the health of participants. A future where there is an incentive to juice up athletes as much as possible is a recipe for disaster.

The argument that I’ve heard against this is that pro athlete training is already really dangerous - yet athletes are valuable enough that their handlers have some incentive to be reasonably cautious to not push things too far most of the time.

Of course, we also know of many many athletes that have been permanently injured during training, so it’s hard for me to know how true the above is.

Re: The Enhanced Game – Sports, without drug testing

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I understand the reasoning as to why the Olympics are "drug-free," but I have never really understood the other side of the argument. Sports have improved in all sorts of ways. We have better training methods. We have better equipment. We have better medicine. While I'm not sure I'd try it, I would love to see the limits of human ability with PEDs. I'd be willing to bet that some of those drugs would translate well t…

It's the other way round; most PEDs _are_ medicine for regular people, abused by athletes. E.g., synthetic EPO is really useful if you just had chemotherapy for cancer and that killed off nearly all of your red blood cells.

Anyways, if you want competitions with doping, there are high-level bodybuilder competitions that don't test.

Re: The Enhanced Game – Sports, without drug testing

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post #10
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This website ignores the big problem with enhancement medication: the health of participants. A future where there is an incentive to juice up athletes as much as possible is a recipe for disaster.

Yep but that's true of many sports. In fact most sports at high levels involve a heightened risk of life-changing injury. It's a difference of degree rather than type. Not that that invalidates your criticism but it does require it to be formulated in a more nuanced way.

The biggest problem isn't that the highest-level athletes would waste away their bodies (that's a big problem, but not the biggest); it is that below them, there will be thousands if not millions of second- and third-level athletes doing the same. With much less control.

Imagine if every kid out there that wanted to be the next Ronaldo or Neymar (and could afford it) started taking steroids and EPO. That's a huge cost, and what did we gain exactly? A slightly lower number on some clock?

Re: The Enhanced Game – Sports, without drug testing

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post #13

I understand the reasoning as to why the Olympics are "drug-free," but I have never really understood the other side of the argument. Sports have improved in all sorts of ways. We have better training methods. We have better equipment. We have better medicine. While I'm not sure I'd try it, I would love to see the limits of human ability with PEDs. I'd be willing to bet that some of those drugs would translate well t…

It's the other way round; most PEDs _are_ medicine for regular people, abused by athletes. E.g., synthetic EPO is really useful if you just had chemotherapy for cancer and that killed off nearly all of your red blood cells. Anyways, if you want competitions with doping, there are high-level bodybuilder competitions that don't test.

You're absolutely correct.

Other sports lack it as well. Body building is fascinating, but not in the same category as say... running 100m in under 9 seconds.

Re: The Enhanced Game – Sports, without drug testing

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post #10
post #4

This website ignores the big problem with enhancement medication: the health of participants. A future where there is an incentive to juice up athletes as much as possible is a recipe for disaster.

Yep but that's true of many sports. In fact most sports at high levels involve a heightened risk of life-changing injury. It's a difference of degree rather than type. Not that that invalidates your criticism but it does require it to be formulated in a more nuanced way.

I agree with you, the higher the level, the more athletes will destroy their bodies in the process.

My critism is about actively encouraging said destruction via promotion of stimulants. It's already bad as it is.

Re: The Enhanced Game – Sports, without drug testing

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post #12
post #4

This website ignores the big problem with enhancement medication: the health of participants. A future where there is an incentive to juice up athletes as much as possible is a recipe for disaster.

The argument that I’ve heard against this is that pro athlete training is already really dangerous - yet athletes are valuable enough that their handlers have some incentive to be reasonably cautious to not push things too far most of the time. Of course, we also know of many many athletes that have been permanently injured during training, so it’s hard for me to know how true the above is.

If something is already really dangerous, why add performance enhancing drugs into the mix and make it even more dangerous?
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