Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B • Hacker News Board

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by auspiv » Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 9:19 PM UTC

jLaForest wrote: post #7

baz00 wrote: post #3

They're all shit. Get a Lenovo mini PC off eBay and stick Debian on it. I replaced my shitty Pi with a Lenovo M600. If you want a dependable computer, stay away from pseudo-embedded hardware.

But that mini PC likely has as much as 10x the power draw... They are not interterchangable for lower power use cases

No they don't. I have a Dell Optiplex 3070 SFF (not even ultra small form factor, it is standard desktop sized) that idles at 8W. It has an i5-9500, 8GB memory, and a 128GB NVMe.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by darkwater » Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 9:20 PM UTC

jLaForest wrote: post #7

baz00 wrote: post #3

They're all shit. Get a Lenovo mini PC off eBay and stick Debian on it. I replaced my shitty Pi with a Lenovo M600. If you want a dependable computer, stay away from pseudo-embedded hardware.

But that mini PC likely has as much as 10x the power draw... They are not interterchangable for lower power use cases

That's not totally true. I have a Dell Optiplex mini-PC version (and not that new) and it draws on average 10W, which is surely more than a RPi4 but not 10 times.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by doubleg72 » Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 9:20 PM UTC

auspiv wrote: post #10

Geez for the prices listed in the article (153 EUR and 301 EUR), get a TMM (tiny mini micro - https://www.servethehome.com/introducing-project-tinyminimic... ) computer. These are the SFF/USFF off-lease older enterprise computers like Dell Optiplex. Note that ServeTheHome.com does power consumption for every model it reviews. These ~1L sized computers idle in the 7-13W range. Even with EU electricity prices, it would…

Exactly, we scrap them after like 5 years at the hospital system I work in.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by fanf2 » Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 9:20 PM UTC

ghusto wrote: post #6

Am I crazy, or are we jumping from 4 to 5 whilst ignoring the fact that most of us still can't get hold of 4 due to the supply chain issues?

The Raspberry Pi 4 is available in stock in many places now https://rpilocator.com/?cat=PI4

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by noman-land » Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 9:21 PM UTC

I must use this thread to plug these handheld devices that I have not used but that look pretty cool.

https://www.clockworkpi.com/

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by ghusto » Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 9:21 PM UTC

baz00 wrote: post #3

They're all shit. Get a Lenovo mini PC off eBay and stick Debian on it. I replaced my shitty Pi with a Lenovo M600. If you want a dependable computer, stay away from pseudo-embedded hardware.

I've been using one for my media centre for many years, only swapping it out for newer versions for the performance upgrades. No issues here, and things like CEC are plug'n'play.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by phamilton4 » Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 9:22 PM UTC

jamesy0ung wrote: post #2

They might be good performance wise, but if you watch the Jeff Geerling video he mentions in the post, it will show you how much trouble he has with it. Custom distros with broken repos, non mainlined outdated kernels.

Having owned many raspberry pis, a handful of rock pis (4A, 4B, Zero and S), Mango Pis, Khadas VIM4 and other SBCs (I have a problem haha)... I can say without a doubt the two shining stars the Raspberry Pi has are their distro/software and general ecosystem.

Just upgrading and dealing with downloading/upgrading the Raspberry Pi is a dream compared to the Rock Pis. The Khadas is a little better, but still I have a hard time upgrading it and sometimes certain images just won't even work from the company. Sometimes when trying to upgrade Rock Pis with eMMC you will find 2 or three different ways to install the freaking image on their own wikis.

There's also the "security" aspect for me, I really don't trust some of these distros (maybe I shouldn't worry??). A random image someone put on their website with broken instructions and messed up repos/kernels doesn't exactly instill confidence to me.

I will say the one GREAT thing from Rock Pi is their rock pi x. But it has an x86 processor and I can just install any distro. I wish they were easier to purchase and had more memory!!!

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by beebeepka » Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 9:23 PM UTC

baz00 wrote: post #3

They're all shit. Get a Lenovo mini PC off eBay and stick Debian on it. I replaced my shitty Pi with a Lenovo M600. If you want a dependable computer, stay away from pseudo-embedded hardware.

After my 3b+ died and the 4 was nowhere to be found, my enthusiasm kind of shifted towards something even crazier - Ryzen 7840 based machine for 5x the price.

Since these SBCs keep getting pricier and need active cooling while software is still far from ideal, it's not that big of a jump.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by declan_roberts » Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 9:25 PM UTC

I've been waiting patiently to shut off my old power-hungry NAS server and move the management of the 8 disk zfs array on to something like a raspberry pi.

It looks like I might be a step closer with the RPI5's pcie expansion options.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by mardifoufs » Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 9:25 PM UTC

Now that the rockchip cpu is very close to full upstream kernel support, how does the raspberry pi compare? Do they maintain their own kernel branch (considering they use a pretty uncommon/restricted Broadcom chip) or is it mostly upstreamed?