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To Fight Big Tech, We Must Seize the Means of Computation

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Re: To Fight Big Tech, We Must Seize the Means of Computation

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Are online user revolutions a thing? I can see this happening if the future continues on a dystopian path. Maybe users would organize and threatened to leave or have a change of power structure. Our online accounts are increasingly becoming our identities to the rest of the world, which consequently gives us agency in it, and social media has evolved to literally own this part of ourselves.

A subset of users and mods attempted a bit of a revolution on Reddit recently, you'll recall.

... and if the users and mods who led the "revolution" had gotten their way, reddit would have become even more reddit than it ever had been. I want a revolution that returns reddit to the way it was ten or so years ago when for the most part you could publish whatever you wanted (or a distributed alternative that was uncensorable), but they want a reddit revolution where nobody could publish _anything_ unless it was groupthink approved.

Re: To Fight Big Tech, We Must Seize the Means of Computation

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I am always unconvinced by the argument that one can’t leave social media because their friends are on some site.

No one I know does not check their SMS and email, and doesn’t pick up phone calls.

I’ve not been on social media for about 5 years now, and I have not fallen out of touch with a single friend because of that. For other reasons like moving away physically or not gaming as much anymore, but not for this. Everyone still picks up my calls and reads my messages.

Re: To Fight Big Tech, We Must Seize the Means of Computation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A subset of users and mods attempted a bit of a revolution on Reddit recently, you'll recall.

I switched from Reddit to Lemmy and haven't been back more than a handful of times (and will never comment again). Turns out only a fraction of users did the same, so not sure it was an efficient protest. I'm happy about the quality of discussion in Lemmy, although it would be nice to have more niche communities. On the other hand, the enshittification of Reddit is for sure not over, so I'm happy to have left that ti…

I’ve also deleted my account and never went back to Reddit. I will never create an account or comment on there again. I don’t even miss it, turns out there are 15–20 years old forums with much higher quality information and participants about any niche subject I was using Reddit for. Thanks for opening my eyes /u/spez I guess :)

Re: To Fight Big Tech, We Must Seize the Means of Computation

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A subset of users and mods attempted a bit of a revolution on Reddit recently, you'll recall.

Once a big enough Eternal September hits a platform I don't think that kind of revolution is possible anymore. The tyranny of the docile will ensure that a big enough majority will always stick around regardless of how the platform degrades.

Surely that's ideal. Eternal September is not a desirable state and presumably the "docile" are not the desired compatriots. So that means that this is good. One can just go start Sawwit and Reddit will act as the lightning rod for the docile while the John Galts go to Sawwit.

Re: To Fight Big Tech, We Must Seize the Means of Computation

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We have plenty of computation. A decent laptop today is a supercomputer. Terabytes of storage can be had for under $200. Locked hardware isn’t much of an issue either. Most of that either can be unlocked or there are equivalently powerful unlocked alternatives to be had. What people must seize is the network, and the network effect. Most of today’s tech empires are built on owning the hub around which everyone commun…

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Re: To Fight Big Tech, We Must Seize the Means of Computation

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post #2

Are online user revolutions a thing? I can see this happening if the future continues on a dystopian path. Maybe users would organize and threatened to leave or have a change of power structure. Our online accounts are increasingly becoming our identities to the rest of the world, which consequently gives us agency in it, and social media has evolved to literally own this part of ourselves.

> Are online user revolutions a thing?

How do you define that?

People organizing themselves and changing their situation, successfully, is as old as time. Likely, you live in a country where democracy was forced on the powers-that-be in that way.

Re: To Fight Big Tech, We Must Seize the Means of Computation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A subset of users and mods attempted a bit of a revolution on Reddit recently, you'll recall.

I switched from Reddit to Lemmy and haven't been back more than a handful of times (and will never comment again). Turns out only a fraction of users did the same, so not sure it was an efficient protest. I'm happy about the quality of discussion in Lemmy, although it would be nice to have more niche communities. On the other hand, the enshittification of Reddit is for sure not over, so I'm happy to have left that ti…

For what it's worth, Mastodon has been a nice community for me. I haven't really found my place in the lemmyverse. Maybe that's a good thing though.

Re: To Fight Big Tech, We Must Seize the Means of Computation

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I dislike that every single one of our displays utilizes an encrypted connection. And it doesn't protect me, I don't have the keys. And though it is fixed function hardware I've often wondered about the waste we have introduced in this world so I can't copy a Disney video that I might watch hundreds of times.

I don’t understand. If you’re watching it the bits have been decrypted. Can’t you just get them from local memory?

Re: To Fight Big Tech, We Must Seize the Means of Computation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A subset of users and mods attempted a bit of a revolution on Reddit recently, you'll recall.

I switched from Reddit to Lemmy and haven't been back more than a handful of times (and will never comment again). Turns out only a fraction of users did the same, so not sure it was an efficient protest. I'm happy about the quality of discussion in Lemmy, although it would be nice to have more niche communities. On the other hand, the enshittification of Reddit is for sure not over, so I'm happy to have left that ti…

> Turns out only a fraction of users did the same, so not sure it was an efficient protest.

The interesting question is, what makes an efficient protest? What is effective in what situations? How is it organized?

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