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AMD may get across the CUDA moat

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Re: AMD may get across the CUDA moat

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Post by binarymax »

klysm wrote: post #7
binarymax wrote: post #6

And the question for most that remains once AMD catches up: will the duopoly result in lower prices to a reasonable level for hobbyists or bootstrapped startups, or will AMD just gouge like NVidia?

A simplistic economic take would suggest that the competition would result in lower prices, but given two players in the market who knows.

My intuition is along the lines that if AMD had a competing product earlier, then it would have kept prices down. But since Nvidia has shown what the market will pay, AMD won't be able to resist overcharging. It will probably come down a little, but nowhere near to the point of affordability.

I sure hope I'm wrong.

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Post by orangepurple »

htrp wrote: post #5
superkuh wrote: post #3

>There is also a version of PyTorch that uses AMD ROCm, an open-source software stack for AMD GPU programming. Crossing the CUDA moat for AMD GPUs may be as easy as using PyTorch. Unfortunately since the AMD firmware doesn't reliably do what it's supposed to those ROCm calls often don't either. That's if your AMD card is even still supported by ROCm: the AMD RX 580 I bought in 2021 (the great GPU shortage) had it's R…

has opencl actually improved enough to be competitive?

I thought ONNX is supposed to be the ultimate common denominator for machine learning model cross platform compatibility

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Post by pixelesque »

Does AMD have a solution to forward device combatibility (like PTX for NVidia)?

Last time I looked into ROCm (two years ago?), you seemed to have to compile stuff explicitly for the architecture you were using, so if a new card came out, you couldn't use it without a recompile.

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Post by rafaelmn »

binarymax wrote: post #6

And the question for most that remains once AMD catches up: will the duopoly result in lower prices to a reasonable level for hobbyists or bootstrapped startups, or will AMD just gouge like NVidia?

If the margins and demand is there Intel will eventually show up

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Post by Havoc »

rafaelmn wrote: post #17
binarymax wrote: post #6

And the question for most that remains once AMD catches up: will the duopoly result in lower prices to a reasonable level for hobbyists or bootstrapped startups, or will AMD just gouge like NVidia?

If the margins and demand is there Intel will eventually show up

Is either in doubt?

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Post by sumtechguy »

klysm wrote: post #7
binarymax wrote: post #6

And the question for most that remains once AMD catches up: will the duopoly result in lower prices to a reasonable level for hobbyists or bootstrapped startups, or will AMD just gouge like NVidia?

A simplistic economic take would suggest that the competition would result in lower prices, but given two players in the market who knows.

It is oligopoly pricing.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/o/oligopoly.asp

With that few competitors pricing would not change much.

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