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Google announces plan to make Gmail “less spammy”: A checklist to help

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Re: Google announces plan to make Gmail “less spammy”: A checklist to help

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Direct from Google: https://blog.google/products/gmail/gmail-security-authentica...

> Gmail’s AI-powered defenses stop more than 99.9% of spam How to lie with statistics :). It's not hard to block all spam if you chuck anything you're not sure about in with the false positives. It's not that Gmail is so much better, it's that they have to care less because everyone has to deal with their dominance on the market Edit: reading further > By February 2024, Gmail will start to require that bulk senders:…

I know of multiple tragedies due to GMail casually junking legitimate emails.

As big a problem as spammers are seemingly indifferent anti-spammers.

Re: Google announces plan to make Gmail “less spammy”: A checklist to help

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"Include a clearly marked unsubscribe link in the message body" Gmail truncates mails at a really small limit for some dumb reason so many times this isn't visible without extra steps of expanding to the full mail.

I'm pretty sure that Gmail has support for the `List-Unsubscribe` mechanism [1] which provides email clients with a standardized way for a recipient to unsubscribe from the list with a button-click. I can't quickly find any documentation about this from Google directly, confirming whether they support it, but there are a lot of 3P websites discussing it. It's kind of frustrating that Google's announcement [2] explici…

If you select multiple messages in the list view and mark them as spam, Gmail will ask if you want to also unsubscribe. Probably using this mechanism?

    Report Spam and Unsubscribe
    These messages will be marked as spam. Would you also like to stop receiving 
    similar messages from following senders? Learn more.

    

    [Report Spam & Unsubscribe] [Report Spam]

Re: Google announces plan to make Gmail “less spammy”: A checklist to help

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Direct from Google: https://blog.google/products/gmail/gmail-security-authentica...

> Gmail’s AI-powered defenses stop more than 99.9% of spam How to lie with statistics :). It's not hard to block all spam if you chuck anything you're not sure about in with the false positives. It's not that Gmail is so much better, it's that they have to care less because everyone has to deal with their dominance on the market Edit: reading further > By February 2024, Gmail will start to require that bulk senders:…

I disagree with your characterization of the spam flagging and that people need to learn how to use it.

If you made it hard for me to unsubscribe, ignore my unsubscribe request, or start spamming me because I did some other business with you and you think that gives you the right to send me marketing emails, I am absolutely clicking that spam button, and I am not wrong.

There is a low bar for what constites spam.

Re: Google announces plan to make Gmail “less spammy”: A checklist to help

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So the short version is that Google is requiring senders of more than 5,000 messages per day to have DKIM and SPF configured, as well as one-click unsubscribe.

This is excellent to see. Many email providers have made this easy to set up, but many admins don’t go through the extra steps because “it adds complexity” or some other lazy excuse.

I think the final criteria, “don’t send spammy messages” will be harder to comply with. Because marketing staff genuinely don’t see their messages as spam. They see it as an “engagement opportunity” or whatever marketing hoops they jump through to justify another particular email.

Re: Google announces plan to make Gmail “less spammy”: A checklist to help

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Unsurprisingly, this says nothing about the topic of making Gmail less of a spam source to other networks.

Most of the spam that's made it into my Gmail inbox lately has been from other Gmail accounts (presumably stolen credentials.)

Re: Google announces plan to make Gmail “less spammy”: A checklist to help

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"Include a clearly marked unsubscribe link in the message body" Gmail truncates mails at a really small limit for some dumb reason so many times this isn't visible without extra steps of expanding to the full mail.

Also, those unsubscribe links don't necessarily work, even in non-phishing emails. Besides the usual bad faith (e.g., ignoring unsubscribes, or creating new categories of communications into which users are opted-in), I saw a new one just an hour ago: The unsubscribe link, in genuine marketing email for a brand, is for some email address other than the one to which the email was sent. (In this case, I was unsubscribi…

NextDoor is horrible with this. 7 different "groups" of notifications each with 5+ notification types each with an option to disable it.

The unsubscribe link in each email only lets you unsubscribe from that one specific notification type.

You have to login to go through and disable them all (a 5 minute task by itself) but then when they add new groups or types its auto-enabled.

Super frustrating and led to me deleting my account.

Re: Google announces plan to make Gmail “less spammy”: A checklist to help

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"Include a clearly marked unsubscribe link in the message body" Gmail truncates mails at a really small limit for some dumb reason so many times this isn't visible without extra steps of expanding to the full mail.

Also, those unsubscribe links don't necessarily work, even in non-phishing emails. Besides the usual bad faith (e.g., ignoring unsubscribes, or creating new categories of communications into which users are opted-in), I saw a new one just an hour ago: The unsubscribe link, in genuine marketing email for a brand, is for some email address other than the one to which the email was sent. (In this case, I was unsubscribi…

> don't necessarily work, even in non-phishing emails

Probably you don't, but just in case: note that if you press such a button for a phishing email in an attempt to get off their list, all you do is confirm that your email address is active and you're interacting with their message

Re: Google announces plan to make Gmail “less spammy”: A checklist to help

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"Include a clearly marked unsubscribe link in the message body" Gmail truncates mails at a really small limit for some dumb reason so many times this isn't visible without extra steps of expanding to the full mail.

I'm pretty sure that Gmail has support for the `List-Unsubscribe` mechanism [1] which provides email clients with a standardized way for a recipient to unsubscribe from the list with a button-click. I can't quickly find any documentation about this from Google directly, confirming whether they support it, but there are a lot of 3P websites discussing it. It's kind of frustrating that Google's announcement [2] explici…

> I'm pretty sure that Gmail has support for the `List-Unsubscribe` mechanism

They do not, see my comment in reply to a sibling thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37773525

Re: Google announces plan to make Gmail “less spammy”: A checklist to help

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> To add yet another protection, moving forward, we’ll enforce a clear spam rate threshold that senders must stay under to ensure Gmail recipients aren’t bombarded with unwanted messages. This is an industry first, and as a result, you should see even less spam in your inbox.

How is this an industry first? Every large receiving domain has had thresholds that they expect senders to stay under regarding the number of messages that bounce and receive spam complaints. As last I recall, the typical threshold for complaints was around 0.1% of messages (but it's been years since I worked in email). Gmail has certainly had a limit like this of some kind, whether or not they've talked about it.

Update: looks like Gmail landed on that same number of 0.1% as documented in https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126#spam-rate - with an upper limit being 0.3%.

I do really like what Google has been doing to drive adoption of technologies in email like DKIM, DMARC, TLS, etc. I'm not trying to be critical generally. I'm just surprised by this claim.

Perhaps what's an industry first is telling senders their complaint rate [1], and establishing a clear and transparent threshold on it? (Most of the time, complaint rate thresholds are not documented publicly and transparently). So providing this level of transparency may in fact be an industry first.

What would also be a huge step forward, if Gmail is doing this, is migrating to a concept of email reputation that is entirely based on the sender's domain name (and not their IP address). Reading between the lines in their documentation, this seems to be the case (e.g., the requirement to set up SPF and DKIM) -- and calculating statistics like the complaint rate at that level -- though I can't tell for sure. With DKIM being required for all traffic, hopefully IP-based reputation will be a thing of the past.

[1] Senders should be able to calculate their own complaint rate as long as receivers provide a feedback loop, which most large senders do AFAIK, though unsophisticated senders might not have their own tooling to do this.

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